Dr. Sallaz: It was the Āyurvedic collection. The old Āyurvedic medicine. This was this book. And I learned about it only one year ago, because a professor of Sanskrit from India had it come from India to Europe, and he's in Paris, I believe. He was a professor of Sanskrit. And showed this book. And he said: "It is marvelous. You cannot find it anymore. It is the old Āyurvedic medicine." And this I had for ten years without knowing why.
Prabhupāda: So we are very pleased that you are accepting that the life comes . . . life is energy. Now, which is . . .
Dr. Sallaz: It is a name, energy. We give it a name. It is much higher.
Prabhupāda: No, it is energy, exactly the name. Because we say prakṛti. Prakṛti means energy, nature. Nature. Just like it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām (BG 7.5). (aside:) You find out this verse. (Yogeśvara translates)
Dr. Sallaz: Our aim. We are looking about . . . the state of the world is going down since thirty years, I said. With pollution, with strengths, with power, with everything, the world is going down, going to the catastrophe. And there is only one possibility to save it. It is the question of spiritual revolution. Without a spiritual revolution, between twenty, twenty-five year, the world is finished, all the world of which people are so proud.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Dr. Sallaz: And this we are doing everything in our power to prepare and to do what we can to prepare this spiritual revolution. It is the thing we have to do today to save the world. Without spiritual revolution, there is no possibility to save the world. It is going down definitely, for this earth. Yes.
Prabhupāda: So we have started this movement, spiritual revolution, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So why don't you cooperate with us?
Dr. Sallaz: Oh, you see we are doing in our field everything we can, and we are preparing to bring this special revolution. We have to bring to light all the old knowledges, the real spiritual knowledges. And this is what we are preparing. And it will take one or two years more until everything is prepared, can be shown.
Prabhupāda: You have studied Bhagavad-gītā?
Dr. Sallaz: Pardon?
Yogeśvara: (French with Dr. Sallez)
Dr. Sallaz: Some. Some of the members know it perfectly. I do not.
Prabhupāda: So you read that: energy, two energies, how they are explained. Bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ.
Dr. Sallaz: You see some of members are . . . (French)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: This is in the Seventh Chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā, text numbers four and five.
- bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ
- khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca
- ahaṅkāra itīyaṁ me
- bhinnā prakṛtir aṣṭadhā
- (BG 7.4)
Translation: "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego—altogether these eight comprise My separated material energies."
Prabhupāda: This is material energy. Bhūmir āpo 'nalaḥ, explain that.