David Lawrence: Yes, yes. We try to bring in as much... In fact, now we have a new course... This is the sort of thing that's happening. (Break) ...the Jewish-Christian scriptures which do not, you know, just don't lend themselves in any way to the right sort of feelings being created and the right sort of experience being created. We found that this year's course-it's the first year-has been tremendously helpful. We brought the boys... I can't think anybody was here, but we brought the boys up to the London temple, and...
Prabhupāda: Here?
David Lawrence: Yes. Well, no, in the Bury Place. And they were thrilled to bits. We had one or two who made the usual silly comments, you know, which you'd expect. But they were embarrassed, you know. Everything that came over, which was interesting, was that they found that all the devotees were very kind, very loving and very sincere. This, this came from even really the most secular of boys with a very, very low intelligence. He could see and perceive and understand that this was how it was.
Prabhupāda: That is our general certificate, everywhere. Even the Americans, they are surprised. They inquire, "Are you Americans?" (laughter.)
David Lawrence: Yes.
Prabhupāda: The, the priest also, he's surprised, that "They are our boys. They did not come to church, never cared for religion. And now they are after God, mad after God. What is this?" They are surprised.
David Lawrence: Well, I think a lot of our boys could understand it, having been to a service, you know, attended ārati, and they...
Prabhupāda: So that is, that is due to our strict following the principles. That is making them stout and strong in spiritual platform.
David Lawrence: Yes. This is surely it, that so much, so many other movements, as such, and sectarian groups have compromised so much, haven't they? They, they... If one goes past the average English church which is these boys' experience of religion, they pass the biggest cars in the neighborhood on a Sunday morning. This is, this is what they see. And, of course, when they came to the temple, they found people living out a lifestyle, which, even though was so totally alien from their own, they could feel that it was worthwhile.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
David Lawrence: It was tremendous. In fact, one boy we found listening to the George Harrison record. You can tell George this if you like. He was listening to the record quietly in the music room that we have at our school with the big speakers, you know. Lots of noise. And he was reading these words. And he put the words down. And I was watching him...
Prabhupāda: "I am in material world."
David Lawrence: Yes. "Living in the material world."
Prabhupāda: That is a very nice song.
David Lawrence: And he sat there, and he was praying. And I didn't interfere. And he came out of the room after having turned the record player off. I said, "Well, you know, what were you doing in there?" And he said, "This, this record has been a complete experience to me." And that, if George could know that... It was tremendous, really tremendous to see this happening. George's record is so devotional, you know. It's really beautiful.
Prabhupāda: I talked with him about this material world in his house... When?
Śyāmasundara: Oh, it was last August, I think. Or July.
Prabhupāda: Last... I went to his house at Henley on the Thames.
David Lawrence: Henlent (?).
Prabhupāda: He's a nice boy, very nice boy. His wife is also very nice. Patty?
David Lawrence: Patty, yes.
Prabhupāda: She's also devotee.
David Lawrence: Pass that on, please, to George. He should be very excited, I think, about that. This is very good. I'd like to thank you very much for giving of your time.
Prabhupāda: You are welcome because you are sincere student searching after... I am prepared to help you any time.
David Lawrence: I do hope that anything I produce will...
Prabhupāda: Yes.