Prabhupāda: As you identify with the body, then you suffer. (break) . . . body is damaged, you are not damaged, but because you have got attachment for the motorcar, you suffer. (break) . . . song by Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, yāhā smṛti nāhi yār, saṁsāra-bandhana kahata. One who has forgotten that he is this body, he has no suffering. (break)
Devotee (1): Then, Sanātana Gosvāmī had all those infections in his body, and Lord Caitanya embraced him, he felt so distressed and so lowly.
Prabhupāda: Hmm, so instructs us that even Sanātana Gosvāmī had to suffer. What you are, nonsense? You should not be sorry for suffering. That is the instruction. Why you are trying to avoid suffering? That is the instruction.
Devotee (1): Sanātana Gosvāmī, he accepted this sickness as a result of his own sinful past activities, he was so humble.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Devotee: So we should follow that example and accept like that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the instruction. Tat te 'nukampām (SB 10.14.8). "It is Your mercy, my Lord, that I would have suffered hundred times more than this; You are giving me little suffering." That is devotee's view that, "I am so sinful, I would have suffered hundred times more than what I am suffering. But You are so kind that You are giving me little suffering and adjusting the account." (break) . . . thinks like that, for him, back to home, back to Godhead, is guaranteed. That is the bhagavata-dharma. Muktipadeśa dayābhāk. One who lives like that, doesn't care for suffering, goes on with his duty, that person is sure to go back to home, back to Godhead. Just like a son is sure to inherit the father's property. Dayābhāk, this word is used. Muktipadeśa dayābhāk. Legally heritage. Hah? What is called?
Devotee: Inheritance.
Prabhupāda: Inheritance, yes. Legally inheritance. (break) . . . we're afraid of suffering. Let there be so many, what is that? Let me do my duty.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: From these sufferings actually we know that this material world is full of misery.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So how to get out this misery, that is the point, next step.
Prabhupāda: And those devotee, he is not hankering after how to get out of the misery. They do not care for misery.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Isn't it in the sense the material concept?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Devotee (2): . . . have to cultivate this tolerance, not only a physical pain, but sometimes other pains.
Prabhupāda: Tolerance . . . tṛṇād api sunīcena. Tolerance when they grasp everyone is . . . (indistinct) . . . he doesn't change. Taror api sahiṣṇunā. You have to learn these things.
Rūpānuga: Lord Caitanya says if we are tolerant then we can chant the holy name of the Lord purely.
Devotee: But the scientists, they'll laugh at us, and they'll say: "We are helping to . . ."
Prabhupāda: And we laugh at us, so what is the wrong? We laugh at them. We tell them. So that struggle will go on.
Rūpānuga: But we will laugh last.
Devotee (1): No, they'll say: "You're chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, but I can give you this pill and I'll take away your pain," or "I can give you this medicine and correct your disease. You're chanting, but I am not seeing a practical result."
Prabhupāda: No, I will say: "Because I'm chanting you, you are my servant, you have brought the pill. (laughter) Because I am chanting, therefore Kṛṣṇa has sent the pill through you."
Rūpānuga: "You're simply working . . ."
Prabhupāda: "You're simply working as my servant, that's all."
Rūpānuga: They can make . . . we'll chant and dance, and they can make the car to take us on kīrtana, make the pills so we can keep healthy.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The best pill is this hari-nāma.
Rūpānuga: Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you are the great physician. Everyone should come under your treatment. They're taking this hari-nāma as a bitter pill. But we are tasting it now, and after chanting and chanting, we're tasting, it's becoming sweeter and sweeter.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. This is all of our cars?
Devotees: Oh, yes.