Yogeśvara: He says: "How is this, that the only thing we've talked about since we've gotten here has been eating of meat? Is that the only . . .?"
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Yogeśvara: He says: "How is that, that the only thing we've talked about since we came today has been eating meat? Is that the only thing that the Bhagavad-gītā teaches?"
Prabhupāda: Yes, because our proposal is that unless you become . . . (aside) Find out that verse, yeṣām anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām, te dvandva-moha-nirmuktāḥ (BG 7.28). This is the beginning of theism. Theism means you must be free from all sinful activities. That is theism. If you remain sinful, you cannot make any progress in theism. That is the point. (break)
Yogeśvara: (translating) Doesn't that make us rather exclusive, that we have some facility for spending all of our time meditating and purifying our lives? Doesn't that make us a rather exclusive group of people? If only those who are completely pure can engage in service, that means only people like us who have time to sit and meditate and . . .
Prabhupāda: What meditation? The thing is that here it is stated, "Unless one is free from all sinful activities, he cannot be engaged in My service." And the pillars, according to Vedic . . . pillars of sinful activities . . . just like four pillars. One is this meat-eating, the other is illicit sex, the other is gambling and the other is intoxication. So unless we break these four pillars of sinful life there is no meaning of meditation or worshiping God. You cannot ignite fire, at the same time pour water on it. So sinful life means destruction of spiritual life. So once you begin spiritual life, and other way you begin sinful life, then how it will be? It is counteracted. There is no progress.