Prabhupāda: Chaliat means he has no assets but he shows that he is very big. That is called chaliat.
Jayapatākā: Bluffer.
Prabhupāda: Bluffer? Our Tīrtha Mahārāja's Caitanya Research Institute. Here is an Indian Institute for . . . what is that? Bon Mahārāja's? Institute for Indian Culture and Philosophy. But where is your book? You have seen that Tīrtha Mahārāja's one book? The Vedānta as Caitanya Has Seen, like that. And he has given a picture of himself with effulgence on his head. You have seen that?
Gargamuni: No, I have not seen that one. In all the mandiras where his picture is there, they have all the ācāryas' pictures, but only his picture has the effulgence.
Prabhupāda: Such a rascal. He has given Prabhupāda's picture, no effulgence; his picture, effulgence. He's such a rascal. Publicly he's showing.
Jayapatākā: But unfortunately that had to be painted in. He could not just show . . .
Gargamuni: There's no natural . . .
Prabhupāda: Could not illuminate. Remain in darkness. Effulgence in darkness. And such a shameless man, he is giving effulgence in the picture. (break)
Gargamuni: . . . gradually we can see that this Society is replacing the Ramakrishna Mission there.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Gargamuni: We can see practically that this Society, your Society, is replacing this Ramakrishna Mission more and more.
Prabhupāda: Why Ramakrishna Mission? We are far above the Ramakrishna Mission.
Gargamuni: Yes. As far as the people go. They are all saying "Hare Kṛṣṇa" and . . . they don't even mention . . . sometimes they ask us, "Do you know who Ramakrishna is?" And we say, "No, we have never heard of him." They go, "You have not heard of Ramakrishna?" We say: "No. We only know Prabhupāda and Lord Caitanya. Everybody knows that, and nobody knows who is Ramakrishna."
Jayapatākā: They do not know what to say.
Gargamuni: Then they don't know what to say. They say: "You mean you don't know that Chicago Address?" We say: "No. What? Oh, when Prabhupāda went for Ratha-yātrā? Yes, that we know."
Prabhupāda: That Chicago Address was the worst. He is defying, "Why you give credit to God?" This is the . . . we have seen that Chicago Address. Now they are eliminating. Most blasphemous. One Christian priest, he was surprised, "What kind of nonsense these Indians are . . ." He asked him, "How you are speaking in this way, 'Why you are giving credit to God?' " He said like that. "You are working, why you are giving credit to God?" This is Vivekananda's realization. And he created God. A illiterate priest, he become God. Because he said, "I am God." That is the proof.
Jayapatākā: Because he said . . .?
Prabhupāda: "I am God. I am the same Rāma, same Kṛṣṇa." Therefore his name is Ramakrishna. He was Gadadhar Chatterji, and he said to his disciple, Vivekananda, first-class rogue that, "I am the same Rāma, same Kṛṣṇa." So he took it. This is evidence. Because Kṛṣṇa says: "I am the Supreme." So he said: "I am the same Rāma, same Kṛṣṇa." This is the evidence. What Kṛṣṇa can say, he can say also. This institution is the most harmful institution for Vedic culture.
Jayapatākā: At one town, Beturhari, that . . . it is called Nakashiparathana. That's about thirty miles north of Māyāpur. One day in advance they advertised that we were coming and we were having a public showing of the cinema and Nitāi-Gaura ārati. And they had one maidan called Library Maidan. There was one, like, stage there.
Prabhupāda: It is in West Bengal?
Jayapatākā: West Bengal. That's in Nadia District. Just before Phulasi, south of Phulasi. And when we came there and I saw the police in the afternoon, we told them we were going to have a function. So they said that they would send a few policemen. They said that, "We will send some policemen for keeping the order." But that night so many people came . . . the space could only hold four thousand, but another two, three thousand people came, and they were turned away because of insufficient space. So they were standing on the wall and on the rooftops all around, and all you could see were people's heads, just like an ocean. The policemen, after it was over . . . when I chanted, I chanted, "Everyone please chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." And I chanted the full mantra three times. They chanted so loud that even two, three blocks away people thought that the heavens were shouting. It was like a thunder . . .
Prabhupāda: Thunderbolt.
Jayapatākā: Thunderbolt. And the policemen said that never—even the chief minister came here once—not even half so many people came, and that was announced for one week. This was announced for one day, and more people came than ever before. He said: "This really shows me that the people are hungry for spiritual answer. They have no one to lead them."
Gargamuni: And these leaders are simply envious, that's all. The only reason why they're not helping us is because they're envious. Because so many people are interested and no one is interested in them.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, our Gītār Gān is selling.
Jayapatākā: Yes. When we stopped at Burdwan, in one place, one boy sold 198 Bhagavad-gītās, Gītār Gān, without moving. So many Gītās . . . people were just crowding around taking Gītās so much that the local . . . there were some bookstores. They also came, and they said that "We cannot get wholesale? We have never seen such a book sell so well."
Gargamuni: Even people come to the temple in Calcutta, they want ten, fifteen copies. Village people. Poor people. They come and say: "Gītār Gān, where is that? I have heard." And they take ten or fifteen copies, they wrap it in their cloth and bring it to the village. It is becoming very popular. Wherever you go, "Where is this Gītār Gān?"
Jayapatākā: I went to Writers' Building, I had four or five copies with me. I didn't go for selling, I went to see ministers. But all the peons, they were buying the Gītār Gāns from me. I sold out. People were coming up with rupees saying: "Gītār Gān." I didn't have any more.
Prabhupāda: Out of their own accord they . . .
Gargamuni: No, they've heard of it. It's becoming famous.
Jayapatākā: That's our inspiration, that if we can make Gītār Gān and Your Divine Grace famous all over Bengal, then we will feel that our mission . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, I could not write any . . . I wrote some Bengali book, that is now . . . it can be collected from Devānanda Gauḍīya Maṭha. I continually wrote one book, Bhagavāner Kathā.