Prabhupāda: Yes. Suppose if you want to go to Germany. Now you have no idea how the German people live or their . . . how they are, what is their custom. So you have to learn. Here is a boy, German. You have to learn from him what kind of life there is. Similarly, there is a life like that. Now, what kind of life that is, you have to ask from a person who has realized that life.
Guest (1): There are two things. I am still, I'm still . . . we are raised upon this material life . . . (indistinct) . . . that may be available just like air. Air, we do not keep air under lock and key. There is no dearth of time, no dearth of energy, no dearth of resources. Only dearth is that we have no clear perspective . . . (indistinct) . . . we are under control.
Therefore, to the suffering and all these things . . . (indistinct) . . . in the only because of power and our other things, and therefore we have become confused. So from Buddha's time we wanted there should be no sickness, old age and death, etcetera. But it is continuing. There is no such country . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But how do you respect these words of Lord Buddha, first thing is?
Guest (1): No, I have got one thing, you see, that it is through the diffusion . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Lord Buddha, we have to accept him as an authority, Lord Buddha. Now, he gives you idea that no misery. So how do you accept these words of Lord Buddha?
Guest (1): No, I do not, because that was not . . . has not come into humanity.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That means he was giving that hint in spiritual life, not in this life.
Guest (1): Yes. So I wondered that if we can create, when we are free from this. And we do not fight on the air. We fight on the things which are scarce. And why there is a scarcity? Because we are not . . . (indistinct) . . . people. Therefore there is a scarcity. Now if we think on that point, and all this is clear, then, when there is no want of life of a material even thing, then every person rises himself from this material . . .
Prabhupāda: First thing is . . . may I ask your name?
Guest (1): Bateya.
Prabhupāda: Batel.
Guest (1): "Ya." Bateya . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Batey
Guest (1): Bateya.
Prabhupāda: You belong to this province?
Guest (1): No, I came from Sindh, Karachi.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Bateya. I see . . . (indistinct) . . . this process, this transcendental knowledge, super . . . superhuman knowledge, you cannot think first of all. You cannot think. You have to learn.
Guest (1): To realize all these things.
Prabhupāda: Realize after learning from the authority.
Guest (1): Because you see, this question I have asked from 1939. There was a little problem in Karachi . . . (indistinct) . . . I was very fond of my father. He died when I was only ten. I thought on, "What is this?" and all these things . . . (indistinct) . . . in foreign countries even. I thought, "Why we are, humanity, is suffering all these things?" It was this question in my mind and what other, I thought of these problems, even though . . . (indistinct)
This appeared as invisible, you see, and material, but to me, inside, it is, you see, a teaching, because it was not taught for any individual or for any country. It is taught for all men beyond the world so that we can bring that kind of life . . .
Prabhupāda: Now you are thinking from your side.
Guest (1): Not just from my . . . as a particular person, but as of the, our own humanity, as a spiritualist.
Prabhupāda: The spiritual knowledge is called tat knowledge, tat, oṁ tat sat.
Guest (1): Oṁ tat sat. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Oṁ tat sat. So the tat knowledge is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, tad-viddhi. Tad viddhi praṇipātena (BG 4.34). Praṇipātena. You understand praṇipāta? Surrender.