Reporter: Sir, just now we are coming from the press conference of another saint, Bala Yogesvara. He said, his slogan is, "Give me love, I'll give you peace."
Prabhupāda: What?
Reporter: He wants immediate this thing. Yours, in your case, prema comes last. He says, "Give me love, I give you peace." Śānti-prema go śānti lo. (sound of siren) (discussion on siren sound)
Prabhupāda: I think blackout is over. (more discussion on blackout)
Devotee: Shut the shutters on the doors and we'll go right (indistinct).
Reporter: Sir, this is the real present ugly reality here. We are being threatened.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Reporter: This siren is a, shall I say, a very ugly reality before us.
Prabhupāda: You are already in ugly reality always, twenty-four hours. (laughter) Suppose there is no blackout. Still, if you go in the street, is there guarantee that you will go home?
Reporter: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Is that guarantee?
Reporter: No, no.
Prabhupāda: Then you are always in ugly reality. Why do you say this blackout? This is one of the features of that ugly reality. That's all.
Reporter: Yes. At the moment I see, but has it...
Prabhupāda: Huh? (laughs) You are all, you do not realize that, that you are twenty-four hours in ugly reality! (break) ...attended. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadām (SB 10.14.58). Every step danger. Why taking this?
Reporter: I know, sir, but this is collective, national danger here. Have you anything to offer to us as a, as a...
Prabhupāda: This Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Our only remedy is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You take to this and you will be happy. That's all.
Reporter: We'll..., yes, sir. I think somebody should go to (indistinct), to those who are threatening us. Some, I wish...
Prabhupāda: What benefit you will derive by going to (indistinct)?
Reporter: But, well, he'll go to the... Supposing somebody is out to kill me. That's changing, if you can't tell him...
Prabhupāda: But suppose (indistinct) does not kill you. Will you be safe?
Reporter: No, sir. That I can see, but...
Prabhupāda: Then what is the use of going to (indistinct)? You will die today or tomorrow. That's all. If you want to save yourself, then go to Kṛṣṇa. That is our proposal. (laughter) As soon as you go the (indistinct), he does not fight, do you mean to say you will live forever?
Reporter: No, no, sir. I've got...
Prabhupāda: Then what is the use of telling (indistinct)? Trust Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa so that you may perpetually be saved. Why don't you take that?
Reporter: I was only thinking in terms of collective security, not... I can see your point now.
Prabhupāda: You should know that you are always in danger.
Reporter: Yes, sir. We agree.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Reporter: The great Einstein said the same thing when he was actually... He said there was no question...
Prabhupāda: That is our position.
Reporter: I could many times fall from here...
Prabhupāda: And Kṛṣṇa says, "I will save you." Therefore let us go to Kṛṣṇa. Why (indistinct)?
Reporter: Changing, because he is disturbing, that's all.
Prabhupāda: Disturbing... Your mind is also disturbing always.
Reporter: Yes, yes. You are...
Prabhupāda: That is always with you. Your body disease always with you. Are you not suffering from bodily pains—"Oh, I'll (indistinct)"? Why don't you go to (indistinct) to cure your (indistinct)? (laughter). So why you do? You are already in danger. If you... Why don't you realize that point?
Reporter: That I... Yes.
Prabhupāda: Therefore...
Reporter: But we are talking of national problems.
Prabhupāda: These are symptoms. Just like one man is diseased and he is saying, "Oh, (indistinct)." Real thing is his disease. These are symptoms. So people are trying to cure patchwork. We are giving the supreme cure. That is the difference. No patchwork, no patchwork disease cure will help you. Complete cure.
- janma karma (ca) me divyam
- (evaṁ) yo janati tattvataḥ
- tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
- naiti mām eti
- (BG 4.9)
Reporter: Mām eti.
Prabhupāda: That's it. That we want. No more repetition of birth and death. Mām eti. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama (BG 15.6). If you go to Kṛṣṇa, then you don't come back again.
Reporter: Sir, I..., mine was a very hypothetical question. Supposing hundred pure saintly Kṛṣṇa conscious people are meditating or discussing or just serving together, and there comes somebody, some duṣṭa(?) who drops a bomb, and at the end of all...
Prabhupāda: So those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has not afraid of bomb. They are not afraid of bomb.
Reporter: How to (indistinct) such people? We are such, sir, we are...
Prabhupāda: Now they receive bomb, then it is Kṛṣṇa's desire that bomb has come.
Reporter: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) (laughter)
Reporter: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: A Kṛṣṇa conscious person is never afraid of anything. Bhayaṁ dvitīyābhiniveśataḥ syād. One who has conception of anything other than Kṛṣṇa, he is afraid. One who knows everything is Kṛṣṇa, why he should be afraid? If bomb is coming, he will see, "Oh, Kṛṣṇa is coming." Yes. That is the vision of the devotee. So he thinks, "Oh, Kṛṣṇa wants to kill me as bomb. Oh, that's all right. I will be killed." That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.