Prabhupāda: Yes. Thirty-two. (break) . . . what is the truth of life. Everyone. So somebody is taking sense gratification as truth of life. Somebody is taking mental speculation as truth of life. So many ways. But Bhāgavata says, satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi (SB 1.1.1). We worship the Supreme Truth, namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. The Supreme Truth. Hmm.
Girirāja: "One who becomes . . ." (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . say Brahman, oṁ. Not Rāma, Kṛṣṇa. No, they'll never say. Sometimes they say "Nārāyaṇa." That is, means thinking himself as Nārāyaṇa. (laughter) Daridra-nārāyaṇa, this nārāyaṇa, that nārāyaṇa, Swaminarayan.
Gurudāsa: Then they want to serve Nārāyaṇa.
Passerby: Jaya Rāmaji. Jaya Rāmaji. Jaya Rāmaji.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Gurudāsa: Then they . . . then they take the philosophy, "I want to serve Nārāyaṇa."
Prabhupāda: No, "I want to become Nārāyaṇa."
Gurudāsa:Yes, then they want to serve themselves.
Prabhupāda: Not "serve Nārāyaṇa." "I want to become Nārāyaṇa."
Gurudāsa: If they are Nārāyaṇa, they serve themselves. So then they serve Nārāyaṇa.
Indian man (1): Ye aadmi jo hai, koi usko bolo chahe mat bolo, jaise Jai Ramji ki . . . Do not please say whatever you want to say to this person, like Jaya Ramji ki . . .
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . (break) There you see the Sarasvatī. Sarasvatī, she asks anybody, "Do you know Kṛṣṇa?" He will say: "No, I do not know . . ." "The Supreme Personality of Godhead." (laughter) She . . . that is preaching. And she'll collect some money and bring it to me. From the very childhood. (break) . . . evāsam āgre. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. "And when everything will be finished, I'll stay." That is Kṛṣṇa. Janmādyasya yataḥ. The Vedānta-sūtra says that "He is the cause of creation, maintenance and annihilation." Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. (break) One who takes shelter of that birth, who is not interested in this distress and happiness, he also becomes of this mad-bhāva. That verse?
Gurudāsa: Mad-bhāva yānti mām.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Vīta-rāga-bhaya-śoka, mad-bhāva upagamya. Bahu . . . What is that? I forget now, this . . . vīta . . . yajña . . . pūtā . . . pūtā mad-bhāvam adhigacchati. Mad-bhāvam means by devotional service one attains the nature of Kṛṣṇa—no more interested with the material distress and material happiness. That does not affect them. That is the . . . that is also stated in another place of Bhagavad-gītā:
- māṁ cavyabhicāriṇi
- bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate
- sa guṇān samatītyaitān
- brahma-bhūyāya kalpate
- (BG 14.26)
He also becomes brahma-bhūta (BG 18.54). Just like if you be in touch with the fire, then you become also warm. The quality of fire is warm. So if you keep yourself always, constantly in touch with the fire, you also become warm. So this Kṛṣṇa's qualification, that He's not affected by the material happiness and distress, can be attained by anyone who always keeps his association with Kṛṣṇa. Is it clear?
Girirāja: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . prasannātmā. Brahma-bhūta . . . that is called brahma-bhūta stage. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati (BG 12.17). This happiness and distress is the cause of śocati and kāṅkṣati. Kāṅkṣati means desiring to have something. This is distress. And lamenting for something, that is also distress. Actually, this is the material position. When we haven't got the things, we desire it. That is also distress. And when it is lost, that is also distress. But by illusion, they take it. When they get it, they think that it is happiness. This is māyā. Actually, to get the things, he has to undergo so much hard . . . a man is given credit . . . suppose he was a poor man; he has now become multi-millionaire. He is given credit. But he does not see that he has simply passed through distress. But he . . . by illusion, he's thinking that he's happy. He's also thinking, and others also thinking that, "He has become happy." But actually it is distress. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (japa) (break) . . . people become religious not for attaining the transcendental stage, but for material benefit, dharma, the artha. Artha means material opulence, that. They . . . these four things: dharma artha kāma mokṣa (SB 4.8.41, CC Adi 1.90). And why they want artha? To satisfy their senses. Dharma artha kāma . . . and when they're again baffled, they want mukti, to become one with the Supreme. These are the four different tastes of the material. All, all of them are baffling and illusory. The so-called religiosity with a view to get some material profit, that comes everywhere. Just in Christianity, the religion means, "O God, give us our daily bread," material profit. Similarly, in anywhere, they go for material benefit. Therefore this kind of religion, it is also good, but it not first class. The first-class religion is sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6), when one is awakened to the devotional service of the Lord, ahaitukī apratihatā, without any cause and without being impeded. So ahaitukī apratihatā . . . that is, that stage is required. Not that, "My sense gratification is not done here. Oh, let us give up this company." That is sense gratification.