Prabhupāda: Viśvāso naiva kartavyaḥ strīṣu rāja-kuleṣu ca. She's both. (laughter) Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, "Never trust woman and politician," and she's both. (laughs)
Gurudāsa: But she's actually better at telling a lie than the other people. She's very clever.
Prabhupāda: They will have to come to this point gradually. They're disappointed. Life is not very pleasing. Politics life is not . . . even Gandhi, such an exalted man, on the day he was killed, he was the same.
(break) . . . he said. He actually prayed to God, "My death may come," because he was so much disappointed. Thousands of complaints, thousands of demands, thousands of varieties. The politician . . . (indistinct) . . . and everyone has to be satisfied. And if he's not satisfied, he'll plan something else.
Nowadays political position is very . . . the same example: uṣṭra, uṣṭra, a camel. Camel is eating his own blood, and still he is thinking, "I am very happy." So this . . . everyone in this material world, especially the politician, they're eating their own blood, but for the position they're thinking, "Oh, I am so happy."
Gurudāsa: Yesterday she rode to work in a horse cart.
Prabhupāda: Ah?
Gurudāsa: Yesterday, the prime minister rode to work in a horse cart to demonstrate that she would not utilize petrol due to the high price of gas.
Prabhupāda: So where to get the horses?
Gurudāsa: (laughs) Someone said that, that "How you will feed the horses, 'cause you can't get wheat?"
Prabhupāda: All their plans have failed. You see? This is the . . . Nanda was one of the planning commission. This rascal is now rejected. Now he is observed by the C.I.D man. When government has ordered the . . . (indistinct) . . . so one friend in Benares, he was anarchist—at least his brother was—and his brother was hanged. So naturally his family was observed by police department. I was guest in his house.