Prabhupāda: Their system is to remain a student and pose as teacher, their system. They're trying to learn it, and still they're posing as teacher. Teacher means one who knows. He does not know; still he poses in the post of a teacher.
Hṛdayānanda: So the system cannot be good because it does not purify their character. They still cheat.
Prabhupāda: No, they're cheating simply. Little knowledge, cheating. Little knowledge.
Yaśomatīnandana: They're simply like neti neti. "Not this, not this."
Prabhupāda: "Not this." Yes. By negation. Definition by negation. Not positive definition. They say "it is not this." But what it is they cannot say.
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is their process.
Hṛdayānanda: It is not God but...
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Karandhara: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Ah?
Karandhara: Either they accept our evidence or...
Prabhupāda: No, therefore they are fools. That is a fact. Any child can understand that... And even they're less than a child. If I say there is something, therefore there is consciousness, any boy can understand. But they cannot understand. Less than a boy.
Karandhara: They say there's no proof that that something...
Prabhupāda: That is the proof. That is the proof.
Devotee (2): Yes, their own law of conservation.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: No, I'm talking about the individuality...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Individuality... There are so many proofs, there are so many proofs, how you can say it is not?
Devotee (2): By their own laws.
Prabhupāda: No, no, not that. It is different subject. That something is missing within the body, therefore it is dead. So what is your answer? We say something is missing. We shall decide what is that something later on. That something is missing. If you suggest that something is chemical combination, then you do it. Therefore do not know. I say something is missing. If you know, then you replace that something, then you'll know.
Karandhara: What do we say that something is?
Prabhupāda: No... That everyone, any layman can understand, that this dead body is unconscious because something is missing. Any layman can understand. If you know that, then you replace it. I don't say I know, but I say something is missing.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: You have to accept also that. But if you know that something, then you replace it. Otherwise you also do not know. Then why you are talking of big, big word? You do not know.
Devotee: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But something is missing. That is accepted by everyone.
Bhakta Dāsa: (laughs) So we both don't know.
Prabhupāda: Ah? No, I know better than you. Because you are a fool, I'm a fool, but you are a fool and still you are posing you know. That is the difference.
Karandhara: They may say, "We don't know, but we're trying to find out."
Prabhupāda: That also... Then why I shall give you better position?
Karandhara: We are also trying to find out.
Prabhupāda: Then why should I give you better position? You're on the same level with me. Why you are posing as "I am scientist"? You are a fool, you admit I am fool, you admit you are a fool. But why you are posing as scientist?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they will say that they have a..., they are trying to find out experimental things.
Prabhupāda: You have not found out, that's a fact. As I have not found, therefore you are equally fool like me. Don't pose yourself better than me.
Karandhara: If we're both fools...
Yaśomatīnandana: But at least we are accepting some authority which is supposedly very authorized by great saints, sages...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: They have also great authorities.
Prabhupāda: And all the authorities... No, therefore these persons who do not accept authority, they're rascal.
Karandhara: They are accepting authorities.
Prabhupāda: But they're accepting authority who is not authority.
Devotee: They're fools.
Devotee (4): Darwin, they're accepting Darwin as authority.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: They say, "But why should we accept any one of your authorities?"
Prabhupāda: No, then you come to argument, reason, then whether Darwin is authority or Kṛṣṇa is authority, we have to decide.
Devotee: Jaya!
Prabhupāda: Yes.