Dr. Patel: No, what is science?
Prabhupāda: Science means . . .
Dr. Patel: Science means knowledge. And knowledge is there. Knowledge means God.
Prabhupāda: Practical . . .
Dr. Patel: But we are trying to honor the knowledge which we have not now known.
Prabhupāda: That knowledge is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ (BG 7.19). When one understands, "Oh, here is the original source of everything," vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ, that is greatest scientist. And how this knowledge comes? Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante (BG 7.19). They are struggling for the ultimate knowledge. So struggling many, many births after births, when, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa he comes to the real knowledge, then he admits, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ.
Indian man (3): (Hindi conversation about science) (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . and police is controlling by beating them. Now they will go to the office, and again they will come in that way. And coming home for two cāpāṭis. You see? That's all.
Dr. Patel: They reach their office at two o'clock.
Prabhupāda: Just see. And again . . . (Hindi conversation)
Dr. Patel: Modern civilization is the civilization of the indriyas. We want a civilization . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, indriyas . . . material civilization means indriyas, but it should be so organized. That is the Vedic principle, that you enjoy your indriyas in a systematic way so that you may not fall again, another difficulty. That is the Vedic way.