Prabhupāda: So then why you are struggling against, uselessly?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They try to violate the laws of nature, but they suffer endlessly.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they suffer. That is not possible. You cannot… These are all not sane proposal, that we shall be able... Just like some Russian scientist said, "In future, by science, we shall make people immortal." These are all foolish proposal. How any sane man can believe? You cannot change the law of nature.
Karandhara: They say that, in that philosophy, it is just lazy, laziness.
Karandhara: They say that that philosophy is laziness.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Lazy intelligent, first-class man, and (laughing) fool, active foolish, is the last-class man. That is the calculation. If a man is foolish, at the same time active, his position is very precarious. He will die. Just like a child: he is very active, but he has to be taken care, "No, no, no. Don't go there. No, no, no. Don't go there." But he is very active. So what is the meaning of this activity? Huh? A child is very active, but his activity has to be checked.
So similarly, you are all rascal fools—your activity has to be checked. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Just like this rascal drove his car, vroooom. How long he will go? He has to stop there, a few yards after. So he is a rascal. That activity is rascaldom. That is not sane man. He thought that "I am going in force." And after few yards he has to stop, immediately.
Prajāpati: He gained some sense gratification from the acceleration, going...
Prabhupāda: No. This is childish foolishness, doggish foolishness. Just like a small dog is jumping (makes sound), that's all. But he does not know (chuckles) that he is under control. Rabindranath Tagore said sometimes that "When I was in London, the people are so busily running…." That time motorcar was not so many; he went about sixty years ago. So he said that "I was thinking the small island, they are going so fast, they may not fall in the sea." (laughter) (laughs) So this is the position. What is their fast? Their fast… They are advancing fast means they are advancing fast to death. That's all. Therefore sane man will try to check them: "Please become little lazy. Don't become so active. You are going to hell. You are going to die." But actually, by so-called advancement, what they have gained? They have gained that their duration of life has been reduced. This is the gain, practical gain. Now nobody is living hundred years. What is the average age at the present moment all over the world?
Karandhara: I don't know all over the world. The United States it's seventy-two. Seventy-two or seventy-three.
Prabhupāda: So United State is so prosperous and everything… (break) I, I have seen, my grandmother's stage. My grandmother died at ninety-six years old. That is not… My grandmother died in 1914 or '15 years. At that time she was ninety-six years old. My mother was the youngest child, and she gave birth my mother at the age of fifty, my grandmother. When she was fifty years old, my mother was born. Therefore the my mother's eldest sister, her sons and daughters were of the same age, or sometimes they were, mean to say, elder than my mother.