Lord Brockway: Yes. Well, what I was saying is, I've never wanted to be in a government. I've never wanted to have power. I've had certain ideals that I've wanted to serve, and just prepared to serve them . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lord Brockway: . . . wherever it led.
Prabhupāda: That every human being can do.
Lord Brockway: But as I see so many men and women who are regarded as ordinary men and women, and their heroism in life, their sacrifice in life, their service in life makes me small compared with them, even if they are not known, and even if they are not thought to be great. And so I don't think to be great at all.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) No big man thinks like that. He thinks always small.
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So that is natu . . . that is good, big, big man. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He was lear . . . "I am fool number one." And the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta, he says that, "I am lower than the, a worm in the stool." So this is good attitude. Nobody . . . Sir Isaac Newton also used to say that "What knowledge I have got? I have simply collected . . ." They're . . . every, every big man thinks like that. That is good attitude.
But there is comparative study that, "Here is a big man, here is a common man." So our proposition is that it is a great science, great philosophy. So Western country, they are intelligent, especially the Britain . . . British people. They had very good opportunity. Still they have got opportunity. So my request is that let us study this philosophy and science and if possible introduce it to the human society. That is our proposal.
Śyāmasundara: I think Lord Brockway was saying that his ideal is that, at present moment, that men of the world try to make an understanding, intellectual understanding of the problems and try to make an intellectual solution . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: . . . philosophical, conscious . . .
Prabhupāda: So here is the opportunity. Here is the opportunity.
Śyāmasundara: . . . consciousness, become conscious, conscious of . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: . . . the problem.
Prabhupāda: We can, we can discuss on higher intellectual platform this philosophy. It is a science. Therefore we invite the best intelligent person to take part in it. Then other people will follow. That is our proposal.
Śyāmasundara: Interchange of ideas.
Lord Brockway: Well, I don't want to keep you. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No, it is very nice . . .
Lord Brockway: It has been very, very kind of you.
Prabhupāda: . . . to associate with you.
Lord Brockway: And, uh . . .
Śyāmasundara: She's bringing some dinner for you. Just, just coming.
Lord Brockway: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: One minute.
Prabhupāda: Give him this garland. I forgot to give the garland.