Prabhupāda: Just as the government can say that "Must obey." So if the government can say this, the head of the supreme government, if He says that "You surrender," what is wrong there?
Mr. Saxena: Nothing wrong.
Prabhupāda: And that is clear. Simple—two words. Unfortunately, they want to deny God. They take the place of God, all these Māyāvādīs. Ānandam, mostly. So that is rascaldom. How you can take the position of God?
Mr. Saxena: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But they want to take the position of God. "Everyone is God. I am God, you are God." This is they are claiming.
Mr. Saxena: Bhagavan Rajneesh.
Prabhupāda: So many rascals. Why Rajneesh? There are many other.
Mr. Saxena: There are others, Satya Sai Baba, and so many others.
Prabhupāda: This is going on. What? People also do not ask, that "How you become God?" That's also so foolish. They accept any rascal as God. That Rajneesh, what he is? He advertises "Bhagavān," and there are many rascals, they accept him. What he has done? (Hindi)
Mr. Saxena: How to stop it, then?
Prabhupāda: Stop, but unless you are intelligent, how it can be stopped? If the people are not intelligent, the cheaters will cheat. It is very . . .
Mr. Saxena: But Swāmījī, mostly educated persons, Ph.D, D.Litt., M.A., postgraduates, they are the followers of this.
Prabhupāda: Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā (BG 7.15). They are supposed to be very learned, but actually they're fools, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā. These so-called educated, they are bereft of knowledge. They have no common sense. That I was asking this debauch, as God. That also ignorance. He does not know what is God.
Mr. Saxena: Yes, because education is no education now.
Prabhupāda: He does not know. We have got the definition of God:
- aiśvaryasya samāgrasya
- vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ
- jñāna-vairāgyayoś caiva
- ṣaṇṇaṁ itiṅgaṇa bhāga
- (Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47)
Aiśvaryasya samāgrasya, that one who is in possession of all the wealth; vīryasya, all strength; all faith, yaśasaḥ; all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation, that is God. Now so far Kṛṣṇa is concerned, He showed all these things. Aiśvaryasya . . . For example, Kṛṣṇa married 16,000 wives, and for each wife a different palace. And for each wife, ten sons. Woman requires very nice accommodation, sons, husband. That is their ambition that He fulfilled, although He married 16,108 wives. This is aiśvaryasya samāgrasya vīryasya. This so-called rascal Bhagavān, who has shown this? Why shall I accept this cheap God? Show me something that you are God. Seven-years-old Kṛṣṇa, He lifted the Govardhana hill. (Hindi) There is, but they have no knowledge to compare with the idea of God. So far knowledge is concerned, Bhagavad-gītā, left by Kṛṣṇa, it is adored all over the world. Especially nowadays we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, and millions of copies we are selling. Now we are advertising . . . Where is that picture? Million, 1.5 million.
Alex Kulik: 1.5 million copies.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) 1.5 million, the Kṛṣṇa book we have sold.