Prabhupāda: ...if God does not change His body, why these rascals consider Kṛṣṇa as human being?
Dr. Patel: Who considers?
Dr. Patel: I am a mūḍha. (laughter) (break)
Prabhupāda: ...mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam. You are not mūḍha, but if you think Kṛṣṇa...
Dr. Patel: You sometimes call me a very intelligent and other times you call me a dud. Now who am I? I forget myself. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11).
Dr. Patel: Mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam.
Prabhupāda: These so-called, the so-called big, big leaders, big, big philosophers, and big, big scholars, they have accepted Kṛṣṇa as ordinary human being or "There was no Kṛṣṇa." Just see how much mūḍha they are.
Dr. Patel: Now, they... There is a section of scholars who think that Kṛṣṇa was not a personality at any time, but it is a legend. But others say that even if it is a legend, it is worth following and worshiping.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Both of them are mūḍhas.