Prabhupāda: How do they speak there is no soul? What is the reason?
Acyutānanda: Their reason is they cannot see the soul.
Prabhupāda: Then they have no intelligence. Mūḍha.
Acyutānanda: When we dig a hole here and there's water, within a few weeks there's fish and frogs. They say that is . . .
Prabhupāda: Jalajā. First jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi (Padma Purāṇa). Not only one variety, but nine lakhs of varieties they come out from the water.
Acyutānanda: But where do they come? They're in the water, latent in the water.
Prabhupāda: They're alive. Sarva-ga. Therefore we say that "Why not in the fire?" If there is life in water, why not in the fire? You cannot see. You have no eyes. There is life, and Kṛṣṇa says, nainaṁ dahati pāvakaḥ (BG 2.23). Fire does not burn the living being, so why they will be not in fire? And Kṛṣṇa said, imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham (BG 4.1). He entered the sun planet.
Acyutānanda: So nothing material can divide the soul, but spiritual, when it enters the spiritual world, then it is dividing.
Prabhupāda: No, there is no question of dividing
Acyutānanda: Māyāvādī.
Prabhupāda: Sanātana. That is Māyāvāda. Kṛṣṇa says, mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ jīva-loke sanātanaḥ (BG 15.7). Sanātana means eternally they are divided. And Kṛṣṇa says further in the Second Chapter that . . .
Hari-śauri: Na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsam (BG 2.12).
Prabhupāda: Yes. "You, Me and all these kings, they were existing—the individual. You, Me and . . . They're existing now, and they'll continue to exist." So where there is oneness?