Hari-śauri: Well, they say that the suffering, there's no divine cause for that. That's just a material cause.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, you did not want; you have it—against your will. This is your experience. There is no difference. Either you say material cause or spiritual cause, but you are suffering what you did not want. That is the point. You are suffering, and you did not want it. Yathā duḥkham ayatnataḥ (SB 7.6.3). Nobody wants distress, but it comes. How it comes? Yathā duḥkham ayatnataḥ, Prahlāda Mahārāja . . . Ayatnataḥ means without any endeavoring. Who is trying that "Let there be fire in my house"? But it takes. Nobody wants that "There may be fire in my house," but there is fire. Therefore you have to arrange for fire brigade. You are expecting always some danger. Therefore you make so many precautions, because you know that although you do not want mishappenings, it will come. Nobody endeavors for mishappenings, but you know there is some superior force who'll enforce mishappening. And they are unable to counteract. Just like a scientist knows that he'll die, but he's so expert scientist that he cannot counteract. He knows that he will die. He's talking all nonsense while living, but he does not make any arrangement that he will not die. That he is unable. They are making arrangement, going to the Mars planet at the expense of taxpayer. So if we request these rascal scientists that "You discover something so that we will not die. Take any amount of money," will they able?