Prabhupāda: But the leader says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo (BG 18.66): "I shall give you protection from all pitfalls." This is. We also accept leader, but the most perfect leader, who can actually give me protection from all dangers. So Śrīdhara, when you go, you take some letters from me. So what happened about Ganguli? (break) . . . this nature. Just like a child is born, immediately he requires protection by mother.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What . . . Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are the qualifications of a perfect leader?
Prabhupāda: No mistake, no illusion, no cheating, no imperfection. Anyone who commits mistake, he's illusioned, he's a cheater and imperfect—he cannot lead. So bring any leader of these rascal groups and test with these four principles, he is misleader.
Trivikrama: They're all servants of their senses.
Madhudviṣa: They will also say that within our movement the so-called leaders also have imperfections.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: They will say, within our movement, that the leaders also have imperfection.
Prabhupāda: No imperfection.
Trivikrama: No imperfection.
Madhudviṣa: They will say: "Yes, we can give you examples."
Prabhupāda: No. No, no. Why? Why you shall accept? They will say. Because therefore they are saying, we shall accept?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here's Prabhupāda. Here's Prabhupāda
Trivikrama: The so-called leaders, maybe they are imperfect, but the real leader, he is perfect.
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is test of.
Madhudviṣa: They will say: "He also makes mistakes."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is that mistake?
Prabhupāda: No, there is no mistake.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We have not seen any mistakes.
Gurudāsa: Where is the mistake?
Prabhupāda: There is no mistake.