Prabhupāda: What do you think?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's no evidence, because you've explained many times that an orange always comes from an orange tree, a banana always comes from a banana tree, man always comes from man, and monkey always comes from monkey. We find that actually things are not happening by chance. That they're very much controlled.
Prabhupāda: There is. Nobody can deny it. Only this tenth-class man will deny it. Even third-class man, fourth class, he will not deny. But what is that intelligence, one should make it a science(?). Intelligence there is, no doubt about it.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's another theory: that God created the universe, and then things are just happening haphazardly. There's no actual design or ultimate plan of creation. Simply He created, and things were set in motion.
Prabhupāda: That is another foolish notion. Just like the seed, banyan tree seed, every plan is there: how the tree will grow, how the fruits will flower, flowers will come. Everything is there. That is intelligence. Within a small seed everything is there, potency. Śaktir vividvaiva (CC Madhya 13.65, purport). Sarvavidya. It comes certainly.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One thing though, people, they see that there's birth and death; they don't understand the purpose of the whole creation when they see that so many things are going on like this.
Prabhupāda: There is purpose. We have explained so many times. The purpose is that we have come here to enjoy, but this enjoyment is false. God has given us the chance to enjoy, to experience that this enjoyment is not good. It is simply suffering. It is not enjoyment. The plan is that he's given the chance to enjoy and experience that here there is no enjoyment and he's simply suffering. So when he comes to his sense, he again goes back home. The thief, he thinks that to live in the prison house is very good, "I haven't got to work, and I shall get my food and shelter." That is not . . . that is a false enjoyment. Outside the prison, that is enjoyment. If one thinks that, "I don't have to work; let me go to the prison house." Father wants that the sons should live in the family, but sometimes the son leaves the family and wants to enjoy independently. So he suffers. Jajīva bhoga-vāñchā kare pasati māyā kare jāpaṭiyā dhare.