Prabhupāda: You have heard. You have heard so many things—that a mountain gave birth to a mouse. You have heard like that.
Amogha: But Gandhi, he also read the Bhagavad-gītā, and he made so many wonderful comments on the Gītā.
Prabhupāda: That wonderfulness is for the rascals and the fools. What wonderful he has done? He preached nonviolence, but he was killed by violence. That is his wonderful example. He preached the philosophy of nonviolence, which is impossible. Therefore Kṛṣṇa killed him by violence. You see? This is his wonderful. And his foolishness was proved, that there cannot be nonviolence. So he was a fool.
Paramahaṁsa: But he himself was nonviolent.
Prabhupāda: Nonviol. . . That's all right. He was a fool. Therefore I say you cannot bring nonviolence in politics. There is no such history. Just like Arjuna wanted to be nonviolent. Kṛṣṇa chastised him, that "You are a foolish number one." So. . . This is to bring a horse before a cart. Politics and nonviolence, it is incompatible. It is not possible. And he did it. Therefore he was a fool. Just like if you want to cook without fire, (chuckles) is it possible?
Gaṇeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: So, this is foolishness. You become very bold enough, "Now I shall cook without fire," you are a rascal number one. Gandhi did it. Gandhi did it. Actually, he could not drive away the Britishers by nonviolence. For thirty years, thirty-five years he struggled. When Subash Bose introduced violence, they went out. This is politics. Politics and nonviolence, (laughs) they are incompatible. There is no history in the world that politics has been successful without violence, and he introduced this. So how much foolish he was, you can understand. It is same thing like that, if somebody says, "I'll cook without any. . ." "I shall scientifically do that a man can give birth to a child." There is no history, and if I say, "Now I shall do it. I shall see that equal rights. As a woman is giving birth, child, the man will also will give child," these things are foolishness. This is not intelligence. The women are claiming equal rights. So stop giving birth to a child. Then equal rights. Can it be possible? The man and woman unite, but the woman becomes pregnant, not the man. And if somebody says, "Now the man will become pregnant," is it not foolishness?
Paramahaṁsa: But they have made a way so that the women also don't have to become pregnant—this contraceptive, and. . .
Prabhupāda: This is another foolishness. That is another. . . (break) This unnatural thing. (approaching car) What is this insignia?
Śrutakīrti: That is Ford's insignia.
Prabhupāda: Ford? This is Ford?
Śrutakīrti: Yes, they made some. . . This is a Ford now?
Gaṇeśa: LTD.
Śrutakīrti: Yeah, it's a Ford.
Gaṇeśa: Does it mean we should use violence to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness then, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No. Yes, when there is politics, that is necessary. I am speaking of politics, not of love. You cannot create love by violence. That is another thing. But if you want kingdom, there must be violence. By violence you cannot force a woman, agree to love you. That is not possible. Then there must be love. The business must be done accordingly. But when there is politics, there must be violence. Otherwise you cannot come out victorious.