Prabhupāda: Yes. Wherefrom the one cell came?
Śyāmasundara: That they say. He says (it) comes from four different chemicals: oxygen, hydrogen...
Prabhupāda: Well, wherefrom the chemical came? They're not questioning. Who supplied the chemical?
Śyāmasundara: We still may be able to discover some day...
Prabhupāda: That means you are fool, that you are granted. As soon as you say "still," then you are fool number one. That is our...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's what the modern scientists are doing. They're trying to make life in a test tube. What they are trying to do, these so-called biochemists, at the present time, their goal is to make life in a test tube. So what they do is they are going to put so-called big molecules—they say DNA, dioxynucleic acid. This molecule is a necessary molecule for..., it's a lively thing. So they're going to make certain combinations of these molecules and put in the test tube and find out whether there is life coming out from the test tube, and then trying to prove how life was formed. But it's such a foolish idea that they will never be able to make the...
Prabhupāda: They are a set of fools. And going on under the name of scientists. Set of fools.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: On the other hand, the so-called physicist... His name was Heisenberg. He produced the concept of the theory of uncertainty, and he found out that certain physical rules that govern certain parts of the so-called universal system of rules—why the planets are moving around the sun, and why they have a repeated course and so on. But he did not know what was the answer. So he named the title of the theory, the Theory of Uncertainty. Based on that, there are so many groups coming up, but they found uncertainty itself, that implies that there is some...
Prabhupāda: Basic principle is uncertainty, and they're building on big, big buildings.
Śyāmasundara: Darwin calls it the missing link.
Prabhupāda: That missing link, let them learn from us. We can give him the missing link.
Karandhara: But ultimately they'll say it'll come down to we propose that Kṛṣṇa is the creator or that God is the creator, then they'll say "That must be proved to me." In other words, they want to fit God within their own empiric gaze. That will be their only satisfaction when they actually become able to circumvent God's existence and create a power by their own intelligence.
Prabhupāda: He has to admit that the theory of uncertainty is bogus, but everything is there, and that masking behind all these things there must be big brain. That one has to accept. Simply uncertainty, that is not a science. The certainty is that behind all these things there is a big brain. I do not know Him—that is a different thing—but there is a big brain.
Śyāmasundara: Darwin, he was not so much interested in those questions of origin and those things, but he was a botanist and a biologist, and he simply wanted to investigate how things evolved from one simple form to a more complex form...
Prabhupāda: That he cannot say, how the evolved. He captured something out of his imagination, but he cannot explain scientifically.
Śyāmasundara: From simple forms to more complex forms.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: Well, he says that this happens through mutation.
Prabhupāda: But you do it in the laboratory by mutation, by combination.
Śyāmasundara: They can do that.
Prabhupāda: No. But he said that that is not possible.