Devotee: How can a devotee be free from being attracted to this worldliness?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee: How can a devotee be free . . .?
Prabhupāda: When he's attracted by Kṛṣṇa, he'll forget. Just like we are more or less not attracted by these material features because we have little attraction for Kṛṣṇa. That's all. So increase your attraction for Kṛṣṇa—you'll forget all nonsense. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt (SB 11.2.42). The bhakti means more realization of God and forgetting this, all this nonsense. That is bhakti. That is the test of bhakti: how much you have become disinterested with this material advancement. That is bhakti, advancement of bhakti. And the . . . Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore says, niṣkiñcanasya. At last, when we'll feel that, "Now I am dispossessed of all this material nonsense," then you make progress. And so long you'll feel "I have got this, I have got that, I am in possession of this, I . . ." that means your material disease is continuing. When you'll feel that, "I do not have anything material," that is the beginning of Bhāgavata-dharma.