Prabhupāda: . . . even those who are farmers . . . (indistinct) . . . In India also. As soon as they get some education, they don't want to be a farmer.
Gurudāsa: They're going to the cities.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They will be satisfied to become a petty clerk and get some very little income. They will be satisfied. They don't want to be . . . śūdra. That is the real śūdra. They are satisfied simply by eating, that's all. No ambition.
Gurudāsa: So somehow or other we have to attract some śūdras to our movement if we want to work self-sufficiently.
Prabhupāda: So for the time being, what is to be done? We shall take it, then we shall see, find out śūdra, offer better price. But we will require more land.
Gurudāsa: We will require a self-sufficient. Not only land, but we require a self-sufficient community.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted.