Prabhupāda: That is their defect. If my dream is wrong, why your dream should be right? That they did not conceive of, just "My dream is right(?)." And if you say that "Your dream is also wrong," yes, I do not dream; I take the facts from the authority. We do not dream. Dream is dream, either yours or mine. It doesn't matter.
Brahmānanda: Well, some people question whether that Aquarian Gospel is authority.
Prabhupāda: Why Bible is authority? Who cares for Bible? Nobody cares for Bible. So there, some supporter for some book, these, you will always find it. Huh? Now they are decrying, deriding Bible also. So how do you say that Bible is authority when so many things have changed?
Brahmānanda: Even they are changing their interpretation of the. . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Brahmānanda: . . .Bible regularly.
Prabhupāda: So if you don't accept Aquarian Gospel authority, who cares for your Bible? At least Aquarian Gospel has been written by some Christian. It is not outsider.
Harikeśa: They say he was a drunk.
Prabhupāda: But you are a mad. He is drunk, and you are mad. Where is the difference? So, if we can go? (break) It was a statement that the earth is flat. Eh? Where it was stated the earth is flat?
Harikeśa: Oh. That was a theory of one of the contemporary Roman philosophers.
Prabhupāda: It is not in Bible.
Harikeśa: No. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There is no information in the Bible at all about God. There's no information about God, simply that God is there, He's the creator, but nothing more.
Prabhupāda: That is in no scripture excepting Vedic scripture. Clear conception of God is there in the Vedic. Definition of God, clear conception of God, everything is there.
Brahmānanda: Their idea is that God is so great that you cannot see Him.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. You cannot see, because you are worthless. But those who are worthful, those who have attained liberation, they can see. Just like it is stated in the Bhāgavata, apasyat puruṣam purnam. Apasyat: "He saw, Vyāsadeva." Huh? Bhakti-yogena manasi samyak pranihite amale apasyat (SB 1.7.4). When your heart will be completely cleared of all this material conception, then you can see. So long you are materially contaminated, it is not possible. That's a fact. But bhakti-yogena samyak pranihite amale. When the heart is cleansed, that is the process. Therefore we are insisting that "Let them hear Hare Kṛṣṇa." Ceto-darpana-marjanam (CC Antya 20.12). The heart will be cleansed. Then they will understand. All of a sudden, if you speak all this philosophy, "Kṛṣṇa said," they will accept that "Why Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa is an ordinary man. Why shall I. . ."
Brahmānanda: They will argue.
Prabhupāda: Jaya. Because the heart is full of dirty things, so therefore ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam, this is the process. First of all cleanse the heart. Just like slate, if it is unclean, or the mirror, if it is unclean, you cannot see. So you have to cleanse it first. That we can do. The Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. . . And that is proof. Otherwise how could you come to this camp unless the heart is cleansed? That's a proof.
Brahmānanda: They came by the chanting.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Some fish? No.
Brahmānanda: In the Old Testament, God was speaking to Moses. So Moses wanted to see God. He was on a mountain. And he turned around, but then God became a burning bush.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That was supposed to be the back of God. The burning bush was the back of God.
Prabhupāda: Burning bush?
Brahmānanda: A bush that was on fire.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Brahmānanda: That's what. . .
Prabhupāda: God has no material body.
Brahmānanda: Because he was not qualified to see God.
Prabhupāda: Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa nāmādi na bhaved grahyam indriyaiḥ (Brs. 1.2.234). By these material senses, you cannot understand God. Nāmādi. Even you cannot understand His holy name. All understanding of God begins by chanting the holy name. So by chanting, chanting, because God is not different from the name, you associate with name. . ., er, with God, and then you become cleansed. This is the process. God is not different from His holy name. So you chant the holy name of God, that means you associate with God immediately. Just like you associate with the sun immediately, er, sunshine, you become warm; similarly, by associating with God, you become God conscious. This is our program. We are giving chance people to associate with God directly by chanting His holy name. God is omnipotent. His name is as omnipotent as He is. These fools, they do not know that.