Prabhupāda: Rāma was asura?
Guest (1): No, you told that.
Prabhupāda: Rāvaṇa was asura.
Devotees: Rāvaṇa.
Prabhupāda: (laughter) Oh, you have become asura. You do not hear properly? You have become asura. It is God saved you that you questioned. Otherwise you would have gone like asura. You do attentively hear. Don't speak like asura.
Guest (1): . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. That happens, you see. Not hearing attentively, sometimes wrong conclusion is made. Yes.
Guest (2): Proper question, there is answer.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Guest (2): If you are questioned properly, there is answer.
Prabhupāda: There is answer.
Devotee: You said . . . if these pastimes of rāsa-līlā are only for liberated souls, and yet in Kṛṣṇa book, in Nectar of Devotion, there are some descriptions of pastimes of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: That is very cautiously mentioned. Yes. It had to be given because it is part of Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. We cannot avoid it. Therefore it has to be heard from right person. He will be cautious to present the things. Anuśṛṇuyāt. The injunction is one should hear from a person bona fide, anuśṛṇuyāt, not directly. Not directly.
(aside:) Give that note to Bhagubhai.
Devotee (1): In this age it's practically impossible. We cannot avoid this kind of association.
Prabhupāda: Therefore kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva. There is no other alternative. You have to take this purificatory process, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. There is no other way. You cannot reform the society. That is not possible. You cannot train them in the Vedic way. Everything is lost now. Manda-bhāgyāḥ. They are all unfortunate, manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ (SB 1.1.10), and disturbed by the social con . . . yes.