Bhakti-caru: But then again there is one advantage, that all along he can lie down. His Divine Grace can lie down.
Upendra: The only time he feels faint is when he's sitting up.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So Upendra says that the time that you get faint is when you're sitting up. If you lay down you don't get faint. If the issue is that you got faint, then that's only because... I've seen you sitting in this bed and getting fainting sometimes, sitting up, fainting. Laying down... You can't faint when you lay down. Fainting is when you're sitting up. But practically the whole time you'll be sitting up, I mean laying down. And neither fainting is not necessarily... That is not a sign of death, fainting.
Prabhupāda: Fainting means of death.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda? I know myself, I have a history where I have fainted more than twenty-five times in my life, and I did not die. I fainted in so many different places. In the subways in New York...
Prabhupāda: You are young man, and I am already dead.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why don't we see what the kavirāja thinks, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Should we call him?
Prabhupāda: Hm. (whispering) Why "phish-phish"? Why not talk?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Why whispering?" Upendra was saying that not going is all right, but the fact that you are rejecting medicine, that is not good. So I was saying that I don't really think that you're rejecting the medicine, but you're taking that position so that we settle in between. (laughing) I can understand that you appreciate that the medicine is doing some good, but in order to get us to agree...
Brahmānanda: It is you who were saying that by Prabhupāda's not going, then we're at a loss for medicine. So then Prabhupāda said, "All right, then no medicine."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Also Prabhupāda's saying no medicine so that if we say, "All right, stay, but take the medicine," then Prabhupāda will...
Bhakti-caru: He'll agree to that, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Transcendental bargaining. (laughs) Śrīla Prabhupāda, I have seen you dealing with the most tricky people in the world. I saw you dealing with that Mr. Nair, and then with that other man, Mr. Ratnaparki? So I can understand that when you say, (laughs) "No medicine at all," that we will then simply say, "Well, please, Śrīla Prabhupāda, just take medicine and then you stay here," and you'll say, "All right." (laughs)
Prabhupāda: I want simply once parikrama.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One mahā-parikrama?
Prabhupāda: No.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, one time around. Not many times.
Prabhupāda: No, no. As I am doing, that much. Medicine, no medicine...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, actually we're also wanting you to do parikrama, but we would..., one day we are hoping to see you walking the parikrama.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. For the time being, if by parikrama, fainting, dying, that is a glorious. That I want. Will it be great burden?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no. That's not the question, of burden. The only thing is that we want you to get better. There's no question of burden.
Prabhupāda: No, no, better...
Jayādvaita: Burden of love.
Prabhupāda: Better... If suppose I am sure to die, then where is better?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, but we don't suppose that. We're not supposing that you're sure to die.
Bhavānanda: We don't feel that at all.
Brahmānanda: I don't think there's any question that you're going to die, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: In the morning this symptom...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, you fainted... Although you don't remember sometimes, you have fainted at least a half a dozen times in the last month or two. I know you don't recall it, because we did not say anything. But we have seen you faint at least a half a dozen times, actually faint, falling backwards a little bit in bed when you were sitting up. In extreme weakness, fainting is natural. It is not necessarily a symptom of death. It's due to excessive weakness. The blood does not circulate properly in the head, and one faints. I mean people faint all over the world all the time.
Jayādvaita: On Janmāṣṭamī when they're fainting... When all the devotees fast, everyone faints. All day long they're fainting.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayādvaita: On Janmāṣṭamī, when there's mandatory fasting for all the devotees, half of the devotees are fainting throughout the day.
Brahmānanda: They faint?
Jayādvaita: Yes.
Bhavānanda: Subhaga always faints.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes devotees faint just from fasting one day. You have fasted for six months, Śrīla Prabhupāda. If you faint a little bit, it's not a sign of death.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I am welcoming death.