Prabhupāda: If your mind is not in order, what do you do? You go to a psychiatrist, you go to an expert for treatment.
Young man (4): No, no, this is... No.
Prabhupāda: That is the way. If you do not go, then you'll become mad.
Young man (4): No, no, no.
Prabhupāda: What is that "No, no, no"? You said that your mind is in chaotic condition.
Young man (4): Yes?
Prabhupāda: So you have to treat it.
Young man (4): Yes, but not necessarily through a psychiatrist. I mean, it's a matter of admitting to oneself that there is an impurity...
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Indian man (2): If I know that in my own mind my mind is chaotic...
Prabhupāda: Then if you know, then where is chaotic condition? This is nonsense.
Young man (4): Nonsense?
Prabhupāda: Yes. If you know, then where is chaotic condition?
Indian man (1): If you know that your mind is in a chaotic condition, your mind is not in a chaotic condition.
Young man (4): This is not what I'm saying. I say...
Prabhupāda: So what you say? We don't hear.
Young man (4): What I'm saying is one is admitting to oneself that their mind is not pure...
Prabhupāda: That means chaotic condition.
Young man (4): When one admits to oneself that their mind...
Prabhupāda: That means a... He is in chaotic condition. A madman—he admits or not-he's a madman.
Young man (4): I don't understand...
Prabhupāda: You cannot understand—because you are madman. That's all.
Indian woman (5): Swamiji, if you understand the message of Gītā, that Kṛṣṇa says, recommends even-mindedness and...
Prabhupāda: Even...?
Indian man (1): Samatā.
Indian woman (5): And do not grieve because this body is meant for death. Now, I think also...
Prabhupāda: So that requires training.
Indian woman (5): Then also compassion will come in, yeah?
Prabhupāda: Everything requires training.
Indian woman (5): But if you are compassionate, you feel the pain. Then how does that go with even-mindedness?
Prabhupāda: Compassion... That is little advanced. That's all. But that is not the stage of perfection. That animal has also, compassion. That is not a very big thing.
Indian man (1): You mean from human point of view.
Indian woman (5): No.
Indian man (1): Not to hold in doubt.
Indian woman (5): Can the human heart feel compassion?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Indian woman (5): The human heart cannot take to compassion?
Prabhupāda: There is compassion. It is revived. That's all. All the good qualities are there, because he's part and parcel of God, but in ignorance they are now covered. You have to discover. Just like Brahman. You are Brahman by nature, but you are thinking, "I am this...," "I am American," "I am Indian." And that is your disease. "I am Hindu." "I am Muslim." "I am gṛhastha." "I am sannyāsī." That is your disease, more or less. But actually you are Brahman because you are part and parcel of the Supreme Brahman. So when you actually realize yourself-brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā (BG 18.54)—no problems. All problem finished. So that is required.
Indian man (1): In that state also, there will be compassion.
Prabhupāda: There is no question of compassionate. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati. You are in a normal stage. Śocati. Compassion is also śocati: "Oh, this man is poor. I'll help him." That is śocati. That brahma-bhūtaḥ, na śocati na kāṅkṣati. That is really... Where is compassion? He has taken this material body. He has to suffer. What is, your compassion will help him?
Indian woman (5): But it seems to come...
Prabhupāda: That first of all you understand. You have to die. If I think, "Oh, you should not die," so what my, this compassion will help you? You have to die. Then what is the use of this compassion? If you give him something that he will not die, that is real compassion. Suppose if there is a boil here, I am suffering, and you come, "Oh, you are suffering?" is that compassion?
Indian woman (5): But you feel a pain also in your...
Prabhupāda: You feel, but what is the meaning of that feeling? You cannot do anything.
Indian woman (5): No. It is not possible.
Prabhupāda: So this kind of compassion also, it is all useless. It is wasted.