Hṛdayānanda: ...cannot tell them they were God.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Hṛdayānanda: I was explaining to him that a real spiritual master cannot lie to them and tell them they were God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Spiritual master is the servant of God. He is not God, although he is respected like God. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Spiritual master is described as good as God in all scriptures, and all advanced spiritualists accept this. But he is the most confidential servant of God. Because he receives respect like God, he does not think at any time that he is God. He always thinks himself as eternal servant of God. (pause) (break) What is the difference between animal and man?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He feels that they are both animals. The difference is that one is rational and the other is not.
Prabhupāda: What is that rationality?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) The ability to think, the ability to encounter different situations and solve different problems...
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Hṛdayānanda: The ability to think, to encounter different situations and solve problems, and the ability to plan for the future. And memory.
Prabhupāda: So both of them are life. And what is this body?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He doesn't understand very much the meaning of the question.
Prabhupāda: Just like the animal: he is busy in maintaining the body. He wants to eat, he wants to sleep, and he wants to have sex and he wants to defend. So man is also in need of these things. The method may be different. So dog's eating and man's eating, the method may be different. That method is also different in different countries also. So because the method may be different, therefore he is distinct from animal?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He's saying again that he thinks the difference between man and animal is that the man can postpone his desires or feelings or sublimate them. Then he also said that he did not come so much for dialogue. He wanted to hear our position, but... I don't know what he's saying. These questions and answers seem to disturb him.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hṛdayānanda: It seems he's a little disturbed by the questions and answers.
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Psychiatrist (2): (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He said that he came here... He wants to know, more or less, our views on psychiatry.
Prabhupāda: Of course, I am not a psychiatrist, but what is the subject matter of psychiatrist? May I know? So far I know, that when a man becomes mad, he requires consultation of a psychiatrist. Is that all right? (Hṛdayānanda talks with other man in Spanish)
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He says that nowadays psychiatry is not so much concerned just with crazy people, but it's just concerned with the human problems.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is very good. So what is the human problem in their understanding?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He said to some extent they see that when there's something wrong with the physical body, it causes a manifestation of a mental disease.
Prabhupāda: When there is something wrong in the physical body, there is mental disease. That we accept also. But the... that mental disease is there, basically, that he is thinking that he is body.