Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes when we're reading Bhāgavatam about the prajāpatis... They are such exalted persons.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. They are no ordinary person.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yet sometimes they behave in such a way that is...
Prabhupāda: That is... After all, they are living entity, conditioned. They are also conditioned. They are not liberated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not pure devotees.
Prabhupāda: No. They want enjoyment, material.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Still, they're entrusted with very big posts.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: But Lord Brahmā, he's a prajāpati.
Prabhupāda: He is the chief prajāpati.
Satsvarūpa: Isn't he a pure devotee?
Prabhupāda: No.
Satsvarūpa: And yet he composed the Brahma-saṁhitā.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is devotee, not to the topmost extent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes we hear that Lord Brahmā incarnated as Ṭhākura Haridāsa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: Sometimes devotees say, "Then how come he's the head of our sampradāya if he's not a pure devotee?"
Prabhupāda: It doesn't require. He is a devotee. That's all right. There are grades of devotee, but on the whole, a devotee is very exalted person. Just like gopīs. Nobody can be compared with the gopīs. There are so many grades of devotees, but they are ultimate. And amongst the gopīs, Rādhārāṇī. So there is no comparison, no more... Even Kṛṣṇa is defeated there. Kṛṣṇa became Caitanya Mahāprabhu to understand the devotion of Rādhārāṇī. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. (break) (About something by the path:) ...queen. Elizabeth? No. Queen or king?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is there a plaque there?
Brahmānanda: It's a symbol for something.
Harikeśa: They usually make justice to be like that. (break)