Prabhupāda: Now the . . . We can see practically how the system of civilization is bad, that this Indira Gandhi, rākṣasī, she became exalted in the topmost rank, and she thought . . . A person who is equally good or more than her, he was imprisoned. Then how the system is bad, that a rogue comes to the topmost post and a good man is put into the prison? Is not the system defective? Imperfect? Some way or other, you can become very important, and the actually important man you can cut down.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Envious system.
Prabhupāda: Animal.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Animals are envious also.
Prabhupāda: Envious is everywhere. So the whole civilization is so defective. Somehow or other you come to the power, and you do whatever you like, and the people in general will have to depend on such leaders for their welfare. How they can be happy? If the whole system is defective, how they can be happy? The same man, in one day he's very important, in the next day he's the most degraded. And the most degraded man, previously he was praised by millions of people, and next day he's condemned. That means who elevated her to the post, they're all rascals.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right.
Prabhupāda: Śva-viḍ-varāha-uṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ (SB 2.3.19). So what is the value of such election, and what is the value of such important men, where the whole system is condemned? Is it not the fact? Everywhere, not only in India. Not that the actual good man is on the head of the ruling power.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, rather, they look upon good qualities as weakness.
Prabhupāda: Whatever . . . That they'll achieve.