Hṛdayānanda: . . . they do not believe in the soul.
Prabhupāda: No, there are, similarly, capitalists, Communists, "this"-ists, "that"-ists. They are full of these rascals. So how the human civilization can be without problems? The leaders are rascals. How we can expect that it will go on without problem?
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He says that the spirit is also extremely important for the following reason: he feels that the human being needs to have problems and fight for something. The example he gave was in the Scandinavian countries they've practically solved all material problems. They have so many Social Security and this and that, and there are practically no material problems, but they have the highest suicide rate in the world.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's right. So where is the institution, university, for educating people of the spirit soul? Where is it? Therefore the whole civilization is going in the wrong way.
Psychiatrist: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He feels there are some people, for example, I mean who are teaching the right thing, those. There are missionaries who go to the Amazon jungles and also to Africa to teach. And he feels they are offering . . .
Prabhupāda: But we, we find the great cities are great jungles. A great city is a great forest. (lady begins speaking) Let her come forward.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) She has said that you have repeatedly talked about the . . . those things which are wrong with the society. So she would like to know exactly what you mean by modern society and exactly what you feel are the problems with the society . . .
Prabhupāda: The modern society is not taking care of the driver; they are taking care of the car. This is the defect.
Lady: (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) Also she would like to know what other societies there have been in history which did not have these problems.
Prabhupāda: The problems . . . in the material world this problem is always there. Sometimes it is more; sometimes it is less. Material world means ignorance of the driver. That ignorance is sometimes very big, and sometimes it is less, but ignorance is there.