Reporter (1): So what do you really mean by arousing the Kṛṣṇa consciousness? What does it entail?
Prabhupāda: That means we have to serve Kṛṣṇa. We are serving now non-Kṛṣṇa. Nothing is non-Kṛṣṇa. Something māyā. Just like dreaming. Dreaming, it is also activity. That is false activity.
Reporter (2): Excuse me, may I ask one question if I can, please. You said māyā or disease. Māyā is disease or māyā or many other ailments? By which...
Prabhupāda: Māyā is a diseased condition.
Reporter (2): Māyā is a diseased condition or many other ailments under who the human beings are affected.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Reporter (2): Are these bad conditions or ailments not part and parcel of God?
Prabhupāda: Yes. But you are suffering. You should admit. Just like a prison department is part and parcel of the government. But who is in the prison, he is suffering.
Reporter (2): That's a very good answer. That's a wonderful answer.
Reporter (3): Your Divine Grace, would your message be exactly the same for, say, a starving man in India and a Westerner who's got everything that a person needs?
Prabhupāda: We say that not only in India, everyone, you'll starve, because you are rebellious to God consciousness. You must starve. That is the punishment. Just like anyone who is a criminal, he must be punished. That is the law of nature.
Reporter (3): So by that, I suppose one would presume that people in India have been most rebellious to God.
Prabhupāda: Why India? Everywhere. Why you speak India?
Reporter (3): Because...
Prabhupāda: When you speak of God, don't take India, or America or Europe. Everywhere.
Reporter (3): No. Because the number of starving men here is much larger.
Prabhupāda: You are starving on account of your economic condition being bad or.... I cannot say anything. But they are also starving. You are poor by force, and they sometimes accept poverty voluntarily, just like the hippies. They have enough money. They are coming from very rich father and grandfather, but they lie down on the street, and the police comes and kick them, "Hey, get up! Get up!" Why? Why they have accepted this? So this kind of varieties we find everywhere-rich man, middle class man, and poverty-stricken man. Don't think that it is in India. I am traveling all over the world.