Prabhupāda: What is the difficulty? If I teach you how to cook, is it very difficult?
Satsvarūpa: Yes, we have to . . . no, we have to learn it all.
Prabhupāda: Then similarly, like that. Like that. I am doing that. I am teaching how to with mop the floor.
Satsvarūpa: Then it becomes easy.
Prabhupāda: But I must know everything, because I am a teacher.
Hṛdayānanda: So, for example, if I become a teacher at varṇāśrama . . . say, the first teacher at the varṇāśrama college, then I have to also become expert at how to fight, how to . . .
Prabhupāda: Not all of you, but some of you must be, must learn the art of fighting also. But in a practical you are not going to fight. If required, you can fight. I say that we are above all these varṇāśrama, but we must train others or ourself also for material activities, everything, under these divisions.
Viṣṇujana: For example, in New Vrindaban we have brāhmaṇas that are very expert at tilling the soil and taking care of cows.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Viṣṇujana: And they could travel around and teach others how to do that as well.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's right. He is brāhmaṇa, but he's teaching how to take care of the cows and plowing.
Hṛdayānanda: It's not that one teacher has to teach everything.
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Hṛdayānanda: Oh, I see. So a brāhmaṇa teacher should become expert in a particular subject and then teach that.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hṛdayānanda: Oh. It's very exciting, Prabhupāda, because all the . . . at the present time in the . . .
Prabhupāda: No, the thing is that actually, at the present moment, they are śūdras or less than śūdras. They are not human being. The whole population of the world. It doesn't matter whether it is Western or Eastern. That is the position. So unless they are trained up . . . so the society's already in chaos, and it will go on still more in chaos, chaos. It will be hell. How people will live? And these rascals are being elected as government men, and they're only making budget how to tax. So one side, there is no rain—one side, there is no rice, especially in India; and one side, heavy tax. So they'll be all confused. They have already become confused. So in the confusion state it will be very difficult to make them Kṛṣṇa conscious. Therefore preliminary help should be given.
Viṣṇujana: Preliminary.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That they should not be in chaos and confusion. Otherwise, how the brain will work?
Viṣṇujana: Yes. No one can give rapt attention without peace of mind.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Our main aim is how to give them Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But if they are already disturbed in every respect, then how they'll take it? Therefore we are taking these subject, to help him to come to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And this is the method—varṇāśrama.
Hṛdayānanda: So just to clarify, Prabhupāda, I want to make sure I have it very clear, that if someone comes to our varṇāśrama college, even though this may be preliminary help, in general—you've made some exceptions—but in general, when they come to our college, they have to follow the four regulative principles, also learn something about Bhagavad-gītā and then, side by side, they learn a particular . . .
Prabhupāda: Four regulative principles compulsory.