Prabhupāda: There was some news. Their machine has gone to Mars planet.
Hari-śauri: Machine is?
Prabhupāda: They sent some machine?
Hari-śauri: To Mars?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: To picture, to take pictures around the Mars, to take pictures, and they have found on Mars signs of life and water. They have taken many close pictures.
Hari-śauri: Of Arizona.
Prabhupāda: No, they know that this time if they say there is no life, then there is no interest. This time another falsehood.
Hari-śauri: Maybe some life this time.
Prabhupāda: Some new falsehood.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: All the things that they have found has put doubt of their previous discoveries. They have put... They say this themselves, that it has revolutionized all their knowledge by some pictures they have now. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...the solid stone, and still, life is coming, and they say there is no life. (break) In the moon planet there is sand, but wherefrom the sand came? Without water, where is the experience of sand?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Sand, yes.
Prabhupāda: Sand. We get sand from the water. So unless there was water, how there is sand? Who will answer this?
Jagadīśa: Desert, like the desert.
Prabhupāda: Yes, there was water. There was water. You cannot say that sand has come automatically. It comes from... What is that sand? It's soda-silicate. The water is soda, full of soda, and from that, sand comes. You are chemist. You know soda silicate?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Excuse me?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Brahma-tīrtha prabhu, Bob Cohen, is a geologist. He just got initiated yesterday.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Oh, yes.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: He's the Peace Corps devotee from India? He is a scientist in the field of geology, studies the earth and how these formations come, and he's working with the scientists to prove their misunderstandings, their false claims.
Prabhupāda: No, without water there cannot be sand.
Hari-śauri:. So early in the moon's history, when it was first formed, when there was gaseous clouds, then there was the water in the atmosphere...
Prabhupāda: There was water?
Hari-śauri: But then, due to the atmosphere being dry, not being any atmosphere, now it's just rocks and dust.
Prabhupāda: Why the atmosphere changed? There was water? Why the atmosphere changed? (break) ...is water, there must be vegetation. So where those vegetation gone? All false propaganda. Even in the sea you'll find seaweed. Is it not? So as soon as there is water, there must be vegetation. And without water, sand does not come. If there is sand, there is water, there is vegetation.
Hari-śauri: So if there was originally an atmosphere, why is it not there now?
Prabhupāda: These are all rascal, "atmosphere." What atmosphere? Whole world is made of these material elements. Why the atmosphere should be different? Maybe more or less; that is another thing. Just like in the Western country it is very cool and the Eastern it is country hot. But that does not mean everything is changed.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: On this planet we have certain elements, like iron, water, or sand. Could there be other elements on other planets, new elements?
Prabhupāda: No. No.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Same elements.
Prabhupāda: More or less. Just like in the heavenly planets it is said that the roads are built with pearls. So there is more pearl. Here is also. The pearl quantity is there. Therefore they pave on the road.
Hari-śauri: You told us, in Hawaii, they had emeralds as big as huge boulders.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Hari-śauri: Yes, big rocks, like this, when we were walking in Hawaii.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: And the beaches are made of gems.
Prabhupāda: Yes, so what is the difficulty? This is also stone; that is also stone. That is valuable stone, that's all-valuable in your eye.
Gurudāsa: So kalpa-vṛkṣa is the topmost, and this is perverted.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gurudāsa: So the moon planet is said to be high planet, but sand is not as nice as vegetation. How is that?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Gurudāsa: The moon planet is said to be higher planet, but sand is not...
Prabhupāda: No, no, they say that moon planet, there is sand. They have brought sand. I say, "Wherefrom the sand came unless there is water?"
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Devotee (1): Came from Arizona. (laughter)
Hari-śauri: Actually when they brought that dust, they said they brought that dust back, they made the point that it's just like the dust here. That's the same things again. You pointed out, "Why they are mentioning Arizona when they're talking about Mars?"
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: That means they've never been past Arizona.
Prabhupāda: All business is going on in Arizona.
Gurudāsa: You once said there is a gross and subtle part of the moon planet. Is that so? No.
Prabhupāda: No.
Gurudāsa: You said one who had qualification could get to the actual moon planet.
Prabhupāda: Moon is one. There are not so many moons. Moon is one. You can go to the moon. By ritualistic ceremony you can get there ten thousands of years life and enjoy. That is the heavenly planet.
Gurudāsa: So they have not at all gone there.
Prabhupāda: All false propaganda.
Hari-śauri: I think we should go back now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)
Prabhupāda: Planet is full of life. Jana-(indistinct). All kinds of animals are there.
Jagadīśa: Even in the Arizona desert there are different kinds of life.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There must be. (break) ...use of going to the Mars planet. What is their idea?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: They constantly want to discover more and more so that they can claim that they are lords.
Prabhupāda: But what is that discovery?
Rādhāvallabha: Scientific knowledge.
Prabhupāda: You simply go and see? That's all?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: There is no really purpose, Śrīla Prabhupāda, no valid purpose.
Rādhāvallabha: They consider it advancement of knowledge.
Prabhupāda: This is not advancement of...
Gurudāsa: They want to colonize because there is overpopulation on this planet.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Another rascal. (laughter)
Gurudāsa: They want to put the American flag on the moon and say, "It is ours."
Prabhupāda: And then lick up. "Here is American flag." (laughter) And then doglike urine(?) (within?) (laughter) So lick up, then doglike urine(?) (women?). It is useless. (laughter) Dog's business. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, they feel they should explore the unknown.
Prabhupāda: That will remain everlastingly unknown. They'll never be able to push. Panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-saṁpragamyaḥ. What is this speed? Even with the speed of mind and air they go many, many millions of years, it will still be... This verse of Brahma-saṁhitā, panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-saṁpragamyo vāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām, so 'py asti avicintya-tattve (Bs. 5.34). It is inconceivable. It will never be done. They have some vague idea, "There is no life. There is this. There is that." That's... Real knowledge they'll never get. Real knowledge you'll get from Bhāgavata.
Rādhāvallabha: They don't even know what is inside the ocean, what to speak of other planets.
Prabhupāda: And if they take photograph of the ocean, what they will understand what is within the ocean? Suppose they have taken photograph of the ocean. Does it mean the full knowledge of ocean?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Only speculation, only speculation.
Prabhupāda: Simply speculation. They are bluffing, "We have taken photograph." Suppose you have taken photograph. Does it mean that you have known everything? Nonsense.
Hari-śauri: They don't even know all the species of life here, so how will they know which one's there?
Gurudāsa: Just like when a photograph of a person is there, it doesn't mean they know what is inside.
Prabhupāda: But they bluff, "We have taken photograph." And what you have known about it? Simply bluff.
Hari-śauri: The whole thing is so childish, it's...
Rādhāvallabha: They tried to find the bottom of the deepest part of the ocean, and their submarine snapped in half and they all died. There's too much pressure. (break)
Prabhupāda: How life is coming by force? And they say there is no soul.
Hari-śauri: You made the point the other day during massage that even though our building is twelve stories high and it's made of steel and concrete, still, there's small plants growing straight out of the cement.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) They do not go to the sun planet. What is the reason?
Tripurāri: They say that no life there.
Prabhupāda: Again life, no life.
Tripurāri: They think it's too hot for life to exist there.
Prabhupāda: So how Kṛṣṇa was there?
Rādhāvallabha: They don't believe that.
Prabhupāda: So how can I believe you? If you don't believe Kṛṣṇa, shall I have to believe you?
Rādhāvallabha: They have calculated that as soon as you come within a certain amount, a billion miles of the sun...
Prabhupāda: That is you. That is you, not Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference between you and Kṛṣṇa.
Rādhāvallabha: (break) Across the river, there was reports from many people that one ship landed from another planet.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Rādhāvallabha: Across the river there were reports from many people that a ship from another planet landed and took soil samples and then left. And everyone reported that saw, they were very much afraid.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: A thief suspects everyone as being a thief. So everybody's afraid because they know that they would attack everybody else. Therefore they think everyone else is in the same mood. They never think of people from other planets as being friendly. They always consider that they will immediately try to kill everyone and conquer, because that's what they would do. That's their business.
Rādhāvallabha: About thirty or forty years ago a man named Orson Welles did a..., he had a radio show, and just as a joke he started giving a news report that the Martians had landed, and people were panicking. They were trying to leave the city in cars in huge numbers.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Bali-mardana: Thousands of people started to leave the city in fear. I think it was on April Fools? It was just a joke.
Hari-śauri: We can go down to the right, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...difference between a śūdra and brāhmaṇa. A śūdra can be misled at any moment. That is stated in... Strī śūdra. Woman and śūdra on the same class. You can mislead them by high talkings: "Oh, I am coming from Indian prince." They come here, marry some European, and go to India and then engage him (her) for collecting water in bucket. One Muhammadan crewman, a vagabond, he bluffed one girl that "I am coming from Muhammadan prince family." Then she married, and she went to Allahabad, and she was given borakhā and she was living in a hut, and then she was bringing water from the street. She wrote a letter to the Viceroy that "This is my position." Then police came and rescued her and sent her. (break)
Gurudāsa: ...Pañca-tantra about a jackal who poses as a king. He has blue dye on, so they think he's special, but when he heard other jackals, all he could do was howl, and he was exposed. (break)