Hari-śauri: It's a question of fortune then, in the human form, to get that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Obstinacy. If you take the worm from the stool, aside, it will go again to the stool. You see? Again it will.
Bharadvāja: Śrīla Prabhupāda, there's still, within all the different species, there are still different varieties. What accounts for all these varieties?
Prabhupāda: Varieties of the body, according to the mentality.
Bharadvāja: According to karma?
Prabhupāda: Yes, according to karma at the time of death, mind is saturated in that way, and he gets a body, that's all.
Mahendra: And then, after, say if a human being falls down into the animal species, after that, does he go through each and every one of these species successively? Even there are different types of dogs, he becomes each different type of dog?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, oh, yes. That is Darwin's gradual evolution.
Mahendra: Except this is evolution of consciousness, growing bigger.
Prabhupāda: Darwin has captured that portion, how the body is changing one after another.
Duryodhana-guru: Śrīla Prabhupāda, in Bhagavad-gītā it is said śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate (BG 6.41). So, for somebody who is now a disciple of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, are we to understand if he is not born in a family of devotees and if he is not born in an aristocratic family, that he was not a yogi in his past life?
Prabhupāda: Eh? Past life, they had some good deeds. Therefore they have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. It is called ajñāta-sukṛti. Besides that, whatever he may be in the past life, the movement is there, it is open for everyone. Everyone can come and take advantage, despite whatever he did in his past life. It doesn't matter. If he comes and if he is fortunate, if he chants, then he becomes advanced.
Duryodhana-guru: This is Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu's special mercy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were explaining to the reporter yesterday that the difference between the animal and the human is that the animal cannot think of God; he has no religion. So, when the living entity is passing through these different species, he doesn't have sufficient knowledge of...
Prabhupāda: No knowledge. That is animal. That is animal.
Rāmeśvara: Then how is he benefited? You explained it, as he is being promoted he is being corrected.
Prabhupāda: Corrected, yes.
Rāmeśvara: But if he cannot understand God...
Prabhupāda: No, there is no need of.... Different stages of body.... Just like you are going up one step, another step, another step. There is no need of going, "What is this?" But you are going up, step by step.
Mahendra: In the Bhagavad-gītā, you explain that one takes a specific birth due to a specific degree of lust.
Prabhupāda: Yes, mental situation.