Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I have one question.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I want to know whether there is any information about the . . . in the spiritual world, we have any spiritual evolution.
Prabhupāda: What?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Evolutionary process in the spiritual world.
Prabhupāda: No. That is the perfection of evolution, spiritual world. Evolution means you have got some destination; you have to reach this. That is evolution.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So spiritual world means that is the perfection of evolution.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But we know that the, uh, the material world is a reflection of the spiritual world . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . but here we find evolution.
Prabhupāda: No. Just like a rascal and a gentleman. Both are appearing like the same, but what is the difference between rascal and gentleman? That you have to study further. Simply by seeing that, "This man has two hands; that man has two hands. This man has head; he has got head," so what is the difference?
But why you say one man rascal and one man very advanced? So the rascal has to come to the standard, although at the present moment they are looking the same. That is culture. That is called knowledge. That is called culture. When one man is fully conscious or fully, what is called, aware of everything nicely, that is perfection. Not by the superficial heads and legs and dress.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So is individual soul is completely satisfied here?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: After . . . but how . . .
Prabhupāda: Yenātmā samprasīdati (SB 1.2.6). That is Bhāgavata. Sa vai puṁsāṁ. In the human society, why there is some religion? That religious process means to make him perfect. Otherwise, what is the need? But these rascals, they do not know what is the meaning of religion, what is the necessity of religion. Why in the religions taking vow, "Thou shall not kill"? That means you are imperfect, and in the habit of killing. You should stop. This is religion. This is religion.
So why in the human society, civilized human society, there is religion? Religion means to make the imperfect to the perfectional stage. That is religion. Or to bring the man from his hodgepodge consciousness to the perfect consciousness of Kṛṣṇa, or God. That is perfect.