Śukadeva: I said our difficulty is that we don't actually believe that they're fools. Most people are thinking that the scientists do have knowledge. We don't fully believe that they are rascals.
Prabhupāda: You do not believe because you are also fool, rascal. (laughs) That means you're also rascal.
Śukadeva: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So you be intelligent. You're learning from your spiritual master. (break) . . . gurum eva abhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). Therefore one must approach a guru to learn everything rightly. This is Vedic injunction. Tat tvaṁ puruṣam eva, ācāryopāsanam (BG 13.8). Read Bhagavad-gītā. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Ācāryopāsanam. This process of knowledge is to worship ācārya. Who has got ācārya, he knows. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda (Chāndogya Upaniṣad 6.14.2).
Śukadeva: They accuse that when we take to some religious process, that it's a process of brainwashing.
Prabhupāda: It is not a question of religious process. You must know things as they are. Religion is . . . religion is that, because religion means to know the real law. That is religion. Not . . . religion does not mean sentiment. Religion means to know the real law. That is religion. If you do not know the definition of religion, this is it. Religion means to know the real law, how this world is going on, what is the law. That is religion. Religion is not a sentiment. They have made it a kind of faith. You may have some faith, but the law is different. So faith, a dogmatic faith, is not religion. To know the real law, this is definition of religion. (break) . . . vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati. If you know that law, then everything is revealed to you. That is religion. Religion means not a blind rascal. Religion means he knows everything. That is religion. This is the Vedic injunction. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). Just like we are talking with so many philosophers. It does not mean that I am scientist, philosopher, everything. No. We know one thing, Kṛṣṇa, immediately we can catch up what is the defect.
Hari-śauri: It's very surprising to people how we have such a wide scope of knowledge.
Prabhupāda: Immediately catch up, "Here is the rascal." Sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati. If you simply know Kṛṣṇa, you know everything. That is religion.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: People sometimes can't understand why we are not satisfied that someone has some religious sentiment, even though their knowledge of God may be wrong.