Jñānagamya: How can we convince them?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? How can you convince? They are asuras.
Jñānagamya: No, those who doing some meditation that are Kṛṣṇa consciousness . . .
Prabhupāda: No, they are also asuras. They do not know what is the meaning of meditation. That is psychology; it is not meditation. Or some medical treatment. Meditation is different, real meditation.
Devotee: What is . . . what is real meditation?
Prabhupāda: Real meditation is to find out the Supersoul within the core of the heart. That is real meditation. God is situated in everyone's heart, so the yogīs, they try to find out Supersoul within the heart. That is real yogī. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginam (SB 12.13.1). This is real yogī, trying to contact the Supersoul. They are searching after the God in His all-pervading feature. But, ah, some of them, they want to become one. That is asuric. One with God, that is asuric. Because they are being defeated by God, so therefore they want to become God to stop this defeat. That is asuric. Therefore they will never be able to be, but they are trying for it.
Jñānagamya: It is the highest blasphemy.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Jñānagamya: It is the highest blasphemy, isn't it? If one says: "I am God."
Prabhupāda: No, highest ignorance, highest rascaldom. (laughter) Yes. How one can become God? If one can become God, that means the such-and-such, he was God. Then how he has become dog? That is another rascaldom, ambition.
Jñānagamya: A devotee is only supposed to want service, and sometimes he very much wants to be liberated to be finished with all this difficulty, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.