Mr. Myer: This is what Prime Minister's saying, that in India we have more unemployed people, although we are trying to make machines. And if we go back to villages and . . .
Prabhupāda: But he says. When he shall do? Says only.
Mr. Myer: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Let him do. We are prepared to cooperate with him. We can give him good advice. We are not going to become prime minister. We have no such policy. Neither president. We kick all these. We have no time even. Even they offer, we'll not take. We are not interested in this. But for the welfare of the whole human society we can give them good advice if you like. That is our duty. Actually, the legislative assembly should be filled up with men like us, Parliament, to give advice. But all loafer class, bhangis, cāmāras, they are filling up.
Mr. Myer: All . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore the disaster came, Indira.
Mr. Myer: Actually it is a big danger. All the people were educated. Here Hanumān Akuso. They have made family plan. But all the . . .
Prabhupāda: So why family planning? Because they are rascal. Because in this lower species of life they have no family. You'll find in the dogs, dozens of dogs, dozens of children. And . . . so there is no family planning. So how they are being raised? There are many animals. So family planning is a different thing, but one thing is that these rascals are misguided. They do not know how to give them . . . in Bengal there is called śiva gotri bango. He was ordered to make a doll of Lord Śiva, and he made a monkey. You see? They are doing like that. They were to make Lord Śiva's doll, but they have made a monkey because he does not know. Lokasya ajānataḥ vidvān cakre sātvata-saṁhitām. Anartha upaśamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje, lokasya ajānataḥ (SB 1.7.6). These rascals do not know how to make things right. Therefore Vyāsadeva has written so many nice literatures. But they'll not consult. They'll not take Kṛṣṇa's advice, Vyāsadeva's advice, or our advice. They'll manufacture. And instead of preparing doll of Śiva, they are making a doll of monkey. This is going on. And when the monkey is made, "Oh, we did not like this for . . ." Russia said that occasional revolution is required. Because the things which have been made, that is imperfect; therefore you require revolution. The things are being given, but if we take the perfect thing, it will be nice. These rascals will not take. This is the difficulty. So if Morarji Desai is in favor of . . . he's also recommending family planning? So that means he does not know.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, he has a big target of eight or ten million people.
Mr. Myer: In twenty years all people have . . . (indistinct) . . . who have four children, we'll have to give them.
Prabhupāda: Why four children? Bring hundred children, I shall maintain. (break) There are many fathers. They cannot maintain even one child, what to speak of four children.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They can't maintain any, because they don't have Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Prabhupāda: They do not marry for being . . . or they kill children. They are doing that. Where is the question of "four," "two"? These are all nonsense program. They do not know how to do things. We welcome. Four, nāhi. Four hundred. Come on. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that, "I am a brahmacārī-sannyāsī, but if I can bring Kṛṣṇa conscious child, I can beget hundred children. I have no objection." And that is . . . there is no question of four or two. Four hundred—if you can make them Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the criterion. That is required. But that, they do not know. They'll not be able to maintain properly even one children, one child. That's not possible. But that is the difficulty in . . . they do not know the laws of nature, the laws of God, how things are going on, although they are being explained. They'll . . . there are so many things. They are jumping like monkey. That's all. They . . . they take photograph for "Gītā student," and they do not understand one line, even one line. In the beginning, the Bhagavad-gītā is tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13): "This body will change." Do they take it seriously? So what is the use of their reading Bhagavad-gītā? Kṛṣṇa says, tathā dehāntara, na hanyate hanyamāne (BG 2.20). Do they take seriously that "I am eternal. I do not die after the annihilation of the body. And the body will change. What I am going to do?" So this is going on, and still, they are . . . Gandhi is . . . "He is great student of Bhagavad-gītā." He is . . . "Tilak is a great student." "Dr. Radhakrishnan . . ." All rascals. All rascals. They do not understand even one line. If they study only one line, they'll be able to bring a great transforming to the . . . do you think they do understand this line?
Mr. Myer: Beg your pardon?
Prabhupāda: Do you think they . . . do they understand these lines? Now, if your . . .
Mr. Myer: No, that will be change of party. One man is in Congress. One is in . . . (indistinct) . . . then he goes to Congress. Wherever he can get an office, they are changing party. They are not all thinking of the spirit.
Prabhupāda: Therefore . . .
Mr. Myer: They think anything is possible, even, anything. Do they not preach when they are congressmen? Tomorrow Congress is going to power. Then after tomorrow we will have Janata. All the time they are changing, everyone. They just want personal gain at any cost.
Prabhupāda: That is why we say the stool, this side and that side. After all, it is stool. Somebody says: "This side is better than that side." Stool is stool when in this side or that side. That is going on. Guer ei pitaro. But they are so intelligent, "No, no, this side is better. It has dried up." (laughter) They are rascals like that. It is stool. It is untouchable. It is obnoxious. It is bad. But they are thinking, "This side is better." This is their intelligence. What can I do? But if they consult us, they'll be benefited. We are not going to be prime minister or this minister, that . . . we kick out these. We want to remain eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. We have no such ambition. So read books. Do things nicely. Serve Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection of life. The direction is there, Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
Mr. Myer: Actually, it must be available in schools. That is one of the first programs. But we changed.