Prabhupāda: Oh. So these Germans were tribe people, uncivilized?
Devotee: Yes, before Christianity, Europe was completely uncivilized.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Therefore the order is, "Thou shall not kill." Simply their business was killing. Uncivilized persons, they kill animals and eat. So due to past habit they could not forget this killing business. This is the proof that this system of religion was preached among the crude people, not civilized. So why they introduced this beer?
Devotee: It was a kind of refreshment.
Prabhupāda: But before that, they were not drinking.
Devotee: Well there may have been something like wine. The monks also used to make wine.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they make wine. Uncivilized men, they know how to make wine. In India they do so by rice boiling and keep it for some days. It becomes wine, fermented. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) . . . used to say that, "I was drinking beer in barrels." He said. Forty years ago he said me like that. Here I don't see them, but Hamburg I have seen, yes, passing urine on the roadside. There are so many urine coming from the wall.
Devotee: On the streets, yeah.
Prabhupāda: 'Cause the more you drink beer, you will pass urine more. (japa) The German language is trinken, trinking? Drinking means trinking. Yes, I have seen it. Trinking or trinken?
Devotee: Trinken.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (japa)
(break) (in car) . . . students, they are advancing for there unflinching faith on guru and Kṛṣṇa. This is the secret. (japa)
(break) . . . these devotees, how nice they are. They do not appreciate?
Devotee: I think most of them cannot understand it, but they sympathize, I think, because the principles are . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: That is appreciation.
Devotee: Yes, for the principles. At least in Germany, we find that although people don't understand it, they appreciate that we are following these principles. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . understood that this group is another edition of hippies. Gradually they are learning that they are not hippies; they are serious. (break) . . . paper it was published that "Swami Bhaktivedanta has come in the right time." And what is that?
Satsvarūpa: Yes, in a number of articles, the writer notes that Prabhupāda came at a perfect time in history, and went to the right place, the Lower East Side of New York, and then again in Haight-Ashbury, just when the hippie movement was big but they were looking for spiritual life. That is a historical expert move that you made.
Prabhupāda: That is very good remark, appreciated. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is known as patita-pāvana, the deliverer of the most fallen. Patita-pāvana-hetu tava avatāra: "My Lord, Your incarnation is for the reason to deliver all the fallen souls." So He gave one example by delivering Jagāi and Mādhāi, but by His grace, now thousands of Jagāi-Mādhāis are being delivered. He gave the example that "Here is the typical patita, fallen. So this movement will deliver this kind of people." That is His prediction, or hint. So actually, by this movement, so many Jagāi-Mādhāis are being delivered. Jagāi . . . what was their fault? The fault was they were number-one woman hunter and all other good qualifications (laughing): drunkard, meat-eaters and thieves, rogues. That is their qualification. And immediately Caitanya Mahāprabhu turned them to become Vaiṣṇava. "Simply promise that . . . you say that you shall not commit anymore the sinful activities." "Yes, Sir, I will not." That process we are going on.