Guest (2): How about love between people? Just like this . . . is that bondage also?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is also bondage. Suppose you love your countrymen. So you want to remain a faithful national, so you will get your birth again in this country or that country, as you like. (doorbell rings) So either you get your birth in India or in America, it doesn't matter; you are bound up by the laws of nature. It is not that Americans do not die, only Indians die. Everyone dies. So that is also bondage.
Guest (1): How about love towards relatives? They say: "Love your parents," or "Love your wife and children." Isn't that also bondage?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): Does that mean you should not love your parents?
Prabhupāda: No, there is no love in the material world. You love somebody with some personal interest. So that is not love. Everyone loves. To be frank enough, a wife loves husband so long he is nicely earning, and the husband loves the wife so long she is beautiful. That's all. This is the love. It is not love; it is lust. Love is different thing.
Guest (1): How about serving the parents?
Prabhupāda: First of all you try to understand one point. Don't jump like that. The same thing is applicable to parents and everything. There is no love in this world. That is illusion.
Guest (2): Is it like service to parents without expecting anything from them, because they have raised you, they have . . .?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is your duty.
Guest (2): Yes, duty.
Prabhupāda: That's your duty. Just like to . . . I do not say that don't love your wife and don't love your parents. But I am just explaining the real situation.