Prabhupāda: How they polluted, such a big lake?
Bahulāśva: By factories. Many factories are there.
Dharmādhyakṣa: They empty all their waste directly into the lake. All the fish are dying.
Prabhupāda: Here some fishy smell. (break)
Bahulāśva: ...gentleman first has to understand that he's not the body. That psychologist gentleman has to understand he's not the body first.
Prabhupāda: Hm. So, what did he say?
Bahulāśva: Yeah, he believes that there is soul and that you're not the body, and he's hoping that he'll be able to become more serious about studying Bhagavad-gītā to understand that more clearly.
Prabhupāda: So let him prove there is soul. That will be great service to the western world, if a scientist and philosopher, psychologist proves that "Here is soul."
Bahulāśva: Śrīla Prabhupāda, how should they set out to prove it, though? We've proved it by giving scriptural evidence. But how should a scientist do it?
Prabhupāda: No, we prove it as a living and dead man, we give that proof. What is the difference between this dead man and living man? What is losing? What is missing? This is the proof. If... I so many times spoken that son is crying, "My father is gone, my father." "Where is your father gone? He is lying here. So what is gone? You have not seen it." This is the proof. Why do you cry, "Father is gone"? Father is lying here. Why do you say, "gone"? So that means what is gone, you have never seen it. Now you perceive, "Yes, something was there. Now he is gone." This is the proof.
Bahulāśva: So our statements are also backed up by observation. The Gītā's statements are also backed up by observation.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Science means observation and experiment. That is science. You observe that this man is moving. There is something... (sound of someone calling from a distance) (Prabhupāda calls:) Invite him. You are invited come. (laughter)
Dharmādhyakṣa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, the psychologist is in ecstasy every time he speaks to you.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. No, he is a good boy. Although I say, "You do not know anything." (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He didn't become angry?
Prabhupāda: No.
Brahmānanda: He admitted.
Prabhupāda: He is good man.
Bahulāśva: He has some humility.
Guru dāsa: You tell everyone that and they come back for more. (Prabhupāda chuckles)
Bahulāśva: So science means observation, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes, observation and experiment.
Bahulāśva: And experiment.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is science. (break)