Prabhupāda: The trees feel when you cut. They feel. There is machine. They..., he discovered this. You have not been in Calcutta, Sir Jagadish Institute?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Probably not.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He, he discovered this wireless, Marconi's. Marconi's took advantage from him. They were talking together, and when Marconi got the hint from him, he immediately published. It was his invention, Sir Jagadish. Therefore he invented this pulsation of the trees, and started the Sir Jagadish Institution, Calcutta. So there is painful feeling even on the trees, what to speak of others.
Brahmānanda: Even a small insect...
Brahmānanda: ...he'll run away so quickly, you try to go to him.
Prabhupāda: As soon you try to kill or attack, then he protests. And there is feeling also. Why? (japa)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because they want to enjoy the material world.
Prabhupāda: If you say so, then material enjoyment or enjoyment, material or spiritual, it doesn't matter...
Lady Passerby: Good morning.
Prabhupāda: (aside:) Good morning. Thank you. (indistinct)
Then every living entity wants to enjoy. And that is the Vedānta-sūtra. Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). Why they want to enjoy?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because that is the eternal position of the living being.
Prabhupāda: His constitutional position is ānandamaya, joyfulness, but he does not get here that ānanda. He's seeking that ānanda, but it is being checked by condition. He cannot enjoy. There are so many impediments. Just like we want to walk, but there are so many impediments. We want to walk on the sea beach, but there are so many obstacles. So my position is that I want to enjoy, and nature's position is that she will check it. She'll not allow. Why? Why I am put into this condition? What do the scientists reply, rascals?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't have any answer.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't have any answer, right answer.
Prabhupāda: That means they're rascals. They do not know.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So our answer will be because of the laws of nature?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Because we are under the laws of nature...
Prabhupāda: Yes. But why...? I am against laws of nature. That is my question. If... If I am also nature's product, then why I against laws of nature? Why?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: By forgetting my real relationship, I tend to rule over the laws of material nature.
Prabhupāda: That I am struggling. That is my business here. I am simply struggling. Laws of nature is obstructing my process of enjoyment, and I want to enjoy. Why this position? We inquire these intelligent questions. What they are inquiring? They do not know what to inquire.