Prabhupāda: That is . . . that I am going to explain, that . . . that is one line, sukham ātyantikaṁ yat tad atīndriya-grāhyam (BG 6.21). This sukham ātyantikaṁ is being searched both by the Western, Eastern, everywhere—even cats, dogs, everyone. But the cats and dogs, animals, they cannot adjust what is that ātyantikaṁ sukham.
But human being can. So human being, there is no question of Eastern and Western. It is a question of degree only. But actually everyone is searching after that perpetual happiness. So it is a problem for everyone, and that problem can be solved by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): By . . .
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the . . . I mean to say, a rough scheme, rough estimation. Now, how Kṛṣṇa consciousness can solve this problem, that is a detailed thing. But this is a fact. It is not the question of Eastern-Western; it is the problem of all living entities.
Guest (1): Yes, living entities. Human, actually we have.
Prabhupāda: Not even human life; even animal life. There are 8,400,000's of different kinds of bodies. So this is a problem for everyone. Now in other species of life than the human form, they cannot solve. They have no power. But a human being can solve.
Guest (1): Yes. They have got understanding.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And that solution is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): What do you mean by that?
Prabhupāda: That is a detailed question, "How it can be?"
Guest (1): No, but are we satisfied with the past . . .
Prabhupāda: You will be never satisfied without Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): What I mean was, was it really or were we at that time . . .
Prabhupāda: Which time? What do you mean "that time"?
Guest (1): "That time" means at the time of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Were we completely . . .
Prabhupāda: At the time of Kṛṣṇa . . . you are taking simply the portion of the time when Kṛṣṇa was present. You are saying about that. But Kṛṣṇa is present always.
Guest (1): Yes, but if you say that, in that way, then he gets . . . because . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8): "I am the taste in the water." Now, this taste in the water is perpetual. When Kṛṣṇa was physically present or Kṛṣṇa is not physically present, this is a perpetual fact. Is it not? Do you think the taste in the water was different when Kṛṣṇa was present and the taste of water is different now?
Guest (1): No, it cannot be.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, He says, prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ: "I am the shining of the sun and the moon." In this way, if you study what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you'll find that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the only solution for that highest perfectional stage of happiness.