Prabhupāda: Christ said, "Thou shall not kill." They killed Christ. This is the position.
Amogha: When Buddha came, did most people follow him?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: And they stopped their . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. In their religion animal-killing is strictly forbidden.
Amogha: Did Śaṅkara, did he physically force the Buddhists out of India, by force?
Prabhupāda: No.
Amogha: Or just teaching.
Prabhupāda: By argument, by teaching.
Amogha: By teaching. (break)
Prabhupāda: Just see how nice flower is coming from the sand. And they say there is no vegetation. What is the difference between this sand and that sand? Sand is sand. Huh? How they are coming? Wherefrom they are getting nourishment? If there is no possibility of living being, who is coming to water it? Nobody is coming. In this place, flower, it is as good as flower grown in the land. But they are growing in the sand, you can see. You see actually in the sand things are coming out, and one rascal will say: "No, there is no life." We have to believe it? Even it is full of sand and dust, here we see dust and sand produce life, so why shall I believe these rascals who bring back sand? What is the difference between that sand and this sand?
Amogha: Some scientists admit there is life there, there may be life . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, these scientists are all rascals, first of all take it. Don't believe it. "Some scientists say." Then who is real scientist? This scientist says there is no life, another scientist says there may be, then who is right? Hmm?
Amogha: They have to go and see. (laughs) But they don't see any signs of civilization or buildings, so they say it may be plant life, but they don't see anything . . .
Prabhupāda: First of all whether you have gone there. That is our charge: "You have not gone there."
Amogha: That's what we are trying to do. In a few years we will find out.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They might have gone to some hellish planet, where there is only sand only, and very hot, and the culprit is pushed through that deserted place to the Yamarāja. And before going to Yamarāja he has to suffer so much. There are places, copper-like, you see. So hot, and the criminal has to go on that copper land. There are mentioned for many millions of miles simply copper, and one has to pass through that to Yamarāja. So they might have gone to some such place, not to the moon planet, who is the source of vegetation even throughout the whole universe—and in his own planet there is no vegetation. Now I am sure they have not gone to moon planet. How they will go? It is beyond the sun. I was protesting that they have not gone; now I am convinced that they have not gone. The Russian scientists and the American scientists joined on the platform, "Don't expose me; I don't expose you." (laughter)
(in car) (Bengali) "You have to do your business and same I have to do my business. Let us support one another." In all other fields, they are inimical, and the scientific field they are friends. That means that if a scientist, another scientist, exposes me, then my attempt will be futile, so let us don't do it.
Śrutakīrti: You don't expose me, and I won't expose you.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because we are doing business, we are getting money from these rascal government, so if you expose me, then I will not get money, and if I expose you, you will not get money. Let us remain together and let them remain fools. That's all. This is it. If a common man like me can understand the whole policy, how the scientist will not understand? But they have made a compromise that "Don't expose me; I'll not expose you. And let us take money from the government." This is going on.
Amogha: So the big demons are cheating the small demons, but they're all demons.
Prabhupāda: That's all. The big animal eats the small animal. But the big animal, because he's big, does it mean that he's not animal? He's also animal. The tiger eats a dog. Does it mean the tiger is not animal? The dog is animal, the tiger is also. Animal . . . He is God who knows how to live without these animals. That is human life. So why shall I eat animals? I shall eat fruits, I shall eat vegetables, I shall eat nice food grains, I shall eat milk. That is human. Why shall I eat animals' blood and flesh? "No, it is very tasteful." (laughter) So what is the difference between you and dog?
Amogha: They don't know how to cook, the dogs.
Prabhupāda: Well, nature has made them like that. The human beings, they can utilize the land, they can produce so many nice foodstuffs. That is human society. What is this society? They are living in big, big skyscraper building, and for their food the slaughterhouse killing, and they are eating. Is that human civilization? All third-class, fourth-class men.