Prabhupāda: Yes. Every living entity will multiply. That is another thing. I mean to say from cow you get milk. From milk you get butter and so many milk products. And from the field you get sufficient grains and fruits. So your economic question is solved immediately.
If you have got some land, the land is . . . immense land is still lying vacant all over the world. Yes. But they have diverted their energy in a different way. That is the miscalculation of the present civilization. They have forgotten that the aim of human life is to advance oneself in spiritual realization.
So time should be saved as much as possible, and that time should be utilized for spiritual realization. But we have encumbered our civilization such a way that we have lost all simple living thing. We have manufactured in so many ways encumbered ways of life. Therefore we have neglected spiritual life.
And because we have neglected spiritual life, there is no peace. If you want really peaceful life, then you have to make your material necessities simplified and engage your time for spiritual cultivation. Then you will have peace. And that is the best type of civilization. Plain living, high thinking.
Now, in the modern days, the high living and plain thinking. Eating, sleeping, mating. This is plain thinking. This thinking also in the animals. They are also thinking what to eat, where to live, how to defend, how to have . . . have a female for sex life. These are problems in animal life also.
So if we keep that animal life problem, at the same time we claim that we are civilized, is it very nice? Civilization means how to get out of this material miseries—birth, death, disease and old age. That is real advancement of civilization. If there is any way and means to get out of this problems, then we must adopt in this human form of life. And that is possible in this human form of life. In no other life.
Guest (7): Swāmījī, are the Hindus essentially vegetarian in the sense of the Seventh Day Adventist . . .
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily all Hindus are vegetarian. Not necessarily. There are many Hindus who are worse than others. So it is not that because one is Hindu or one is Indian, he's vegetarian. No. But generally Hindu culture is based on this Vedic civilization. So those who are strictly following, they're following the rules and regulation. (pause)
So any other question? Yes, you can ask. We are very glad to discuss all this. This should be discussed.
Guest (2): Well, I don't feel that the issue I brought up before was entirely clarified, at least in terms of . . .
Prabhupāda: They have no training, you see.
Guest (2): Excuse me?
Prabhupāda: These children, no training. So it is risky civilization. We don't train our children, and they are going to be future . . . child is the father of man, or what is called?
Guest (4): Child is the father of the man.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So if from the beginning there is no training, so how we can expect good father and good children?
Guest (4): They're the divine folk.
Prabhupāda: Divine folk? They don't require any training?
Guest (4): They're born divine; they have their own divine religion.
Prabhupāda: They don't require any training?
Guest (4): They have the religion. They have the one and only religion.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but religion does not mean that one should be not trained up. Does it mean?
Guest (4): They're supposed to be divine.
Prabhupāda: They're supposed. That's all right. Yes?
Guest (2): Let me try to delineate that a little more precisely. I have known people who have said: "Well, yes, you know, I don't like birth, and I don't like death, and I don't like old age. But I have this tremendous driving need, and I don't know how to deal with it. You see, I must have sex, or I must have this. And I'm tormented. I'm stuck in the trap. I'm ensnared." You see? That is the individual I'm . . .
Now if you can already reach the person through jñāna and convince him, and he can act on the decision of his will, then he's obviously already in a high state. But what do you do with the sort of person who is split, who is torn by his instinctual physical needs, and they drive him? You see? And yet he wants to do something. How can you deal with such a person without forcing him to contain himself in such a way that he will resent it? Or must he be allowed to expend his energies until he is convinced by experience?
Prabhupāda: No. Just like amongst our students there are many married couples also, and there are brahmacārīs also. That I have already explained, that one who has got sex desire, he is not barred from this. Yes. He is not barred. Nobody is barred. Simply following some regulation, that will gradually train him.
And the main principle is that as you go on hearing about this transcendental message, then you gradually become attached to these transcendental things. And the more you become attached to these transcendental things, the more you forget these material things.