Scheverman: Means?
Prabhupāda: Purified.
Scheverman: Purified, yes.
Prabhupāda: So purification, simply externally rubbing soap and cleansing the coat and shirt, that is not purification. Internally he must be pure. Peaceful. Then, purity?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Tolerance.
Prabhupāda: Tolerance. This is also one of the good qualifications for the first-class man. Then?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Honesty.
Prabhupāda: Honesty. So there are so many things. If we want to make the whole human society very peaceful and happy, then we have to divide the society into four classes. Not that everyone will be peaceful. That is not possible. But if we have an ideal class of men who is following austerity, peacefulness, purity, knowledge, people will learn: "Oh, here is the ideal class."
Kern: Mr. Gandhi had a great effect.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That training is lacking now.
Scheverman: I think all over the world it is lacking, it is needed, right.
Prabhupāda: All over the world, yes. Therefore.... In your country.... You are opulent in every respect. You should.... We are cooperating, we can cooperate. Let us start that "Here is a school or college..." Just like there is engineering college, technological.... Here is a college to learn how to become first-class men. Why not?
Scheverman: It is part of your plan to operate schools for this purpose?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, yes.
Scheverman: You hope eventually to have schools where training of this kind can be given.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is wanted.
Kern: When did you begin, Your Excellency?
Prabhupāda: I began.... What do you mean by beginning? My beginning is from my childhood.
Kern: The Kṛṣṇa movement, in the Kṛṣṇa movement.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa movement I started 1966.
Kern: '66.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Kern: In the West? In California?
Prabhupāda: Here in your America.
Scheverman: America. I would like perhaps to hear some of your thoughts on the area of religious experience, God consciousness, how do you achieve that?
Prabhupāda: I wrote one letter to your secretary.