Prabhupāda: Just like so much field is there. You, if you take the all village people, you can produce enough food for them in this village. So much land is lying there. Simply you keep cows and till ground, get your food grains. Enough. And if you take the whole planet as it is, you can feed ten times population. There is so much prospect. Australia, Africa, so much vacant land. You can produce enough quantity of milk and food grains.
David Lawrence: Yes, I think this was the clinching argument in this program . . .
Prabhupāda: But they are doing . . . what they are doing? They're taking the milk and slaughtering the animal and sending to foreign countries for trade. New Zealand, Australia, they are doing that. Just see.
David Lawrence: Or they're throwing down the surplus milk down coal mines.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
David Lawrence: They throw surplus milk down coal mines.
Prabhupāda: That's it.
David Lawrence: When there are people without any . . .
Prabhupāda: How they are wasting! You see? And they're putting the overstocked grain into the sea, America.
David Lawrence: Dumping tomatoes, bananas, all these things.
Prabhupāda: What kind of civilization? And producing Nixon on the head. (laughter) Just see.
David Lawrence: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And they want to be happy. This is their position.
David Lawrence: They'll give . . .
Prabhupāda: The head of the administration is Nixon, and the activities is killing and throwing the grains in the sea. And they are civilized. Just see. Where is civilization? They have no common sense even.
David Lawrence: The thing is, the economic system now runs the heart. The heart is not allowed to beat in the right way. It's completely controlled.
Prabhupāda: It is a soul-killing civilization. We have to fight against it, to save at least a few men. So you are thoughtful young man. You try to understand this philosophy, and you try to spread. You have got good field for teaching students.
David Lawrence: I feel that students need to be able to see that somebody who is God conscious can really, really enjoy life.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Certainly. That is life. This is not life. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Life means with high qualities. So one who is not God conscious, they cannot have any good qualities. It is not possible. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ (SB 5.18.12).
He's simply hovering on the mental plane. Asato dhāvato bahiḥ. And he has to come to these non-permanent things, material things. Asato. Asato mā sad gama. The Vedic injunction is, "Don't stick to this asato. Try to come to the sat, eternal." Tamasi mā jyotir gama. These are the . . . "Don't remain in the darkness. Come to the light."