Jagadīśa: There is no... We don't see how God is working. We don't see...
Prabhupāda: Are you blind? God is working. Yasyājñayā bhramati. Yasya, by His order he is rising. Why don't you see God? It is not your order or your scientist order. Somebody's order. That is God.
Jagadīśa: But there doesn't seem to be any meaning. There doesn't seem to be any meaning.
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning?
Jagadīśa: There is no meaning.
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning?
Jagadīśa: It's just evolution. There's no meaning. What's the meaning?
Prabhupāda: I do not follow what is the meaning. The sun is rising half past six, exactly at the time. So there is no meaning?
Jagadīśa: We can't tell what the meaning is.
Prabhupāda: That is... Because you are rascal, you do not know. You learn it. One who knows the meaning. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). You are fool, rascal. How can you know the meaning? You must have to go to the real person.
Jagadīśa: Who knows?
Prabhupāda: Guru. Therefore we go to guru. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam (SB 11.3.21). One who is actually serious about inquiring, he must go. Guruṁ prapadyeta. Must surrender to guru.