Prabhupāda: ...we're afraid of suffering. Let there be so many, what is that? Let me do my duty.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: From these sufferings actually we know that this material world is full of misery.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So how to get out this misery that is the point, next step.
Prabhupāda: And those who know (indistinct), he is not hankering after how to get out of the (indistinct). They do not care for (indistinct).
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Isn't it in the sense the material concept?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)